Could Gravity Ever Be Negative?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of negative gravity, negative mass, and negative energy. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational forces, including tidal forces and hypothetical objects like white holes, while questioning the implications of negative gravity on physical objects and the universe.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that negative gravity could theoretically exist, suggesting it would pull objects away from a mass, contrasting with conventional gravity.
  • One participant mentions tidal forces as a phenomenon where gravitational interactions can lead to objects being pulled towards a mass under certain conditions, likening it to negative gravity.
  • Another participant questions the existence of negative mass and energy, asking for references to support these claims.
  • A theoretical white hole is discussed as an object that pushes things away, although it is noted that no evidence for such objects has been found.
  • One participant humorously reflects on their experience of feeling more massive while moving at high speeds, indicating uncertainty about mass behavior at relativistic speeds.
  • There is a correction regarding the nature of gravity inside a white hole's horizon, with a participant asserting that gravity remains attractive, despite the inward movement of the horizon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of negative gravity, mass, and energy. There is no consensus on these theoretical concepts, and some participants seek references to support claims made in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence for negative mass and energy, as well as the speculative nature of the concepts discussed, such as white holes and their gravitational effects.

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Now, I know that it is theoretically possible for negative mass to exist and for negative energy to exist. But any gravity would act on all objects and all energy, no matter if that mass and energy is positive or negative. So negative gravity would for example, pull a person upwards. Now yes, I realize that there already is a force that comes from the interaction of 2 masses that pulls everything away from 1 mass and towards the other mass. That is the tidal force. As an example, if a miniature black hole were in the core of a moon and the moon was somehow stable, as the moon's orbit gets closer to the planet, the tidal forces would become so strong that it overcomes the planet's gravity and everything gets pulled towards the moon.

That is basically like gravity being negative except that it is normally extremely small. And it isn't a true gravity but rather the force that arises from 2 gravitational fields interacting.

A true negative gravity would require just 1 source of gravity to achieve the same effects as the tidal force, pulling everything away from a mass. Negative gravity would mean that launching into space would require no more energy than the gravitational potential energy of the spacecraft . Of course, if gravity were negative the spacecraft couldn't be formed in the first place and any astronomical object would immediately be blown apart if there were negative gravity but is it at least hypothetically possible to have gravity be negative? Could dark energy be this negative gravity acting on the entire universe?
 
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caters said:
Now, I know that it is theoretically possible for negative mass to exist and for negative energy to exist.
Reference, please.
 
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It really just depends on your reference point and how you look at it. On the other hand, if you have gravity going in the opposite direction it is supposed to, theoretically, you would just float up to space.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Reference, please.
And a small cup full too, if you could manage it. (Keep the lid on tight, though)
 
A white hole is a theoretical object that pushes things away from it. We haven't found any white holes or any objects with negative mass, so they might not exist.

Edit: A theoretical white hole still has positive mass and still appears to attract objects outside the white hole horizon, I think. But inside the horizon, everything is pushed to the outside.

I suppose you could also consider a theoretical negative mass object, but we haven't found any evidence for those.
 
Abdelhadi said:
I am a physicist and I don't even believe that mass increases as its speed approaches light speed:wink:
Well, I don't know. Right now, I AM moving at almost the speed of light (relative to a particle in the CERN accelerator) and I DO feel more massive. Of course, it could have been that heavy lunch I ate.
 
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caters said:
I know that it is theoretically possible for negative mass to exist and for negative energy to exist.

Please give a reference, as you have already been asked to do. Since the thread is closed for moderation, please PM me with the reference. Once we have it, the moderators will evaluate it and see if it is acceptable as a basis for a PF thread discussion.
 
Khashishi said:
A theoretical white hole still has positive mass and still appears to attract objects outside the white hole horizon, I think.

This is correct.

Khashishi said:
But inside the horizon, everything is pushed to the outside.

This is not correct. Gravity is still attractive inside the white hole's horizon. But the horizon is moving inward at the speed of light, so even with attractive gravity, nothing can fall inward fast enough to catch the horizon, and things that are inside the horizon can't decelerate inward fast enough to stay inside it.
 

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