Could New Elements Exist Beyond Our Understanding?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of new elements existing beyond current scientific understanding, particularly in relation to their stability and synthesis. Participants explore theoretical aspects of element formation, decay rates, and the potential for undiscovered isotopes, with a focus on both terrestrial and extraterrestrial contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of new elements existing on other planets or hidden on Earth.
  • Another participant asserts that while transuranium elements can be synthesized, they are highly unstable and would have decayed into lighter elements if they ever existed on Earth.
  • A detailed exploration of the half-lives of various isotopes is presented, suggesting that elements beyond a certain atomic number may not have stable isotopes.
  • There is a discussion about the potential existence of long-lived, neutron-rich isotopes of elements beyond atomic number 98, which may not be producible in laboratories but could exist in nature.
  • One participant argues that even isotopes with half-lives over 100 million years would not survive in substantial amounts on Earth due to its age, suggesting a need for foundational understanding of nuclear processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and stability of new elements, with some arguing against their possibility due to decay rates, while others propose that undiscovered isotopes may exist. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding, including the dependence on known decay paths and the challenges in synthesizing certain isotopes. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity of nuclear processes involved in element formation.

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I've heard chatter about possible new elements on other planets and even hidden on our own, Could this be possible?
 
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Alright, thanks for answering.
 
Borek said:
No.

We do our best to synthesize transuranium elements but they are very unstable. Even if they ever existed on Earth, they long decayed into lighter elements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transuranium_element

We do, but we do it the wrong way, because it is the only way we can.

Starting from bismuth, half-life 10*19 years
next is polonium, longest half-life 103 years, of isotope 209
next, now odd number element is astatine, longest half-life 8,1 hours, of isotope 210
Radon is an even element. Radon 211 has half-life 14,6 hours. Radon 212 has half-life 24 minutes, 213 in milliseconds, 214 less than μs...

No isotope of over 215 nucleons can last a μs, right? No point of attempting to reach next period? No possibility of elements past 88 or 89 ever having existed even in stars?


Wrong. Radon 222 has half-life of 3,8 days. Thorium 232 has half-life of 14 milliard years.

But how could you ever make radon 222 from stable bismuth 209?
You need to add 3 protons and 10 neutrons. No stable lithium 13 exists.

How would you even know that there is long-lived radon 222 to synthesize?

Now have a look around element number 100.
Californium has short-lived isotopes 253, 255 and 256, which undergo beta decay. 256 has half-life 12 minutes - nothing known about 257.
Einsteinium 257 has half-life 7,7 minutes, and undergoes beta decay. Es-258 has 3 minute half-life, but the very decay path is unknown. Es-259 also unknown (NOT known and verified short-lived).

Fermium has no known beta active isotopes.

Md has most massive isotope, Md-260, half-life 26 days. Md-261 unknown
No and later - no known beta active isotopes.

The elements from Cf on may have unknown, neutron-rich isotopes long lived by comparison to the known proton-rich isotopes.

Pu-244 has half-life 80 million years. It has been searched in nature. Probably in vain - the experiments which did report success may have made errors.

If elements past 98 do have long-lived, presumably neutron-rich isotopes which we cannot make, but nature can, then half-lives over 100 million years are not ruled out by evidence.
 
100 million years half life is not enough for the isotope to survive in substantial amounts on Earth, as the Earth is around 4 billions years old. 0.540 is around 10-12.

While I agree with you there is more to the problem than my short answer suggests, it is better for OP to start with the basic understanding of the processes involved. You know, walking before running and so on.
 

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