Could Quantum Fluctuations exist W/out the presence of Spacetime?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of quantum fluctuations existing in the absence of spacetime, particularly in the context of a hypothetical Big Rip scenario. Participants explore the implications of spacetime being "ripped apart" and whether such a condition would allow for quantum fluctuations to persist.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if quantum fluctuations could exist without spacetime, particularly in a Big Rip scenario, and whether the concepts of time and space would cease to exist in such an event.
  • Another participant challenges the coherence of the original question, emphasizing that theories must be testable and noting the ubiquity of spacetime.
  • A participant expresses a desire to know if existing theories predict anything regarding quantum fluctuations in the absence of spacetime.
  • It is stated that Big Rip models do not suggest that spacetime can be left behind after being "ripped apart," but rather that spacetime would cease to exist entirely.
  • Questions are raised about the feasibility of spacetime being ripped apart, with responses indicating that opinions on the Big Rip model's validity vary among physicists.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of Big Rip models and the implications for spacetime and quantum fluctuations. There is no consensus on whether spacetime can be "ripped apart" or what that would entail for quantum phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of experimental testing for Big Rip models and the dependence on individual physicists' perspectives regarding the model's validity.

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I want to know whether Quantum Fluctuations could exist without the presence of Spacetime. Would it be possible, in the event of a Big Rip scenario, and if Spacetime really would get ripped apart, that quantum fluctuations could still occur? And if Spacetime is ripped apart, does that mean the concepts we know as time and space just are not a thing anymore?
I want to know whether Quantum Fluctuations could exist without the presence of Spacetime. Would it be possible, in the event of a Big Rip scenario, and if Spacetime really would get ripped apart, that quantum fluctuations could still occur? And if Spacetime is ripped apart, does that mean the concepts we know as time and space just are not a thing anymore?
 
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Your question makes very little sense. Theories are tested by experiment.

If we had such a theory that claimed anything like this(we don't), how would we test said theory given that spacetime is ubiquitous?
 
I just wanted to know whether or not our theories predict anything about this :)
 
Vanilla Gorilla said:
I just wanted to know whether or not our theories predict anything about this

No, they don't. "Big Rip" models don't "rip spacetime apart" and leave something behind. They just say that the universe ends when spacetime gets "ripped apart" (a better term would be "ceases to exist").
 
Can Spacetime even be ripped apart?
 
Vanilla Gorilla said:
Can Spacetime even be ripped apart?

Depends on whether you think a Big Rip model is describing something that is actually possible. Which will in turn depend on which physicist you ask. Nobody is going to be testing such models experimentally any time soon.
 
Haha, fair enough.
 

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