Could Radioisotope Thermoelectric generators power electric cars?

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The discussion explores the feasibility of using radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) to extend the range of electric cars, drawing parallels to their use in spacecraft. It addresses concerns related to power density, safety, and practicality in the context of automotive applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that RTGs could potentially provide longer range for electric cars, similar to their application in deep space missions.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the safety of having a radioactive power source in vehicles, particularly in the event of collisions or mishandling.
  • It is suggested that the power densities of RTGs are too low to be practical for mass transportation, with specific calculations indicating significant mass requirements for sufficient power output.
  • Participants note the high cost of radioisotopes like Pu-238, which could be a limiting factor in their use for electric vehicles.
  • Discussion includes the continuous decay of radioactive sources, which would necessitate additional systems to manage heat when the vehicle is not in use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of interest in the concept and significant concerns regarding safety, practicality, and cost. No consensus is reached on the viability of RTGs for electric cars.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the safety of radioactive materials in vehicles, the practicality of power density calculations, and the economic feasibility of using expensive isotopes.

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RTG for electric cars.
Could electric cars be given longer range by radioisotope thermoelectric generators like they use to power spacecraft in deep space?
 
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The last thing you want on a vehicle is an inefficient radioactive power source just waiting to be cracked open by a collision. Or by inept mechanics, ignorant owners, or terrorists.
 
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nite owl said:
Could electric cars be given longer range by radioisotope thermoelectric generators like they use to power spacecraft in deep space?

Aside from the concern about radioactivity that @Drakkith raises, I believe these generators are too low power to be useful for an electric vehicle.
 
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nite owl said:
Summary: RTG for electric cars.

Could electric cars be given longer range by radioisotope thermoelectric generators like they use to power spacecraft in deep space?
Complementing concerns raised by Drakkith and PeterDonis, indeed the power densities are too low to be practical for mass transportation/propulsion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio..._generator#Criteria_for_selection_of_isotopes
Pu-238 is chosen for its relatively long half-life, much longer than typical missions. Its power density is ~
0.54 W/g or 0.54 kW/kg. Taking the power for a 2016 Honda Civic (158 - 174 hp / 118 - 130 kW), this would require 218 to 240 kg Pu-238, which is a fair amount of mass for a car. Other isotopes with higher power density, e.g., Po-210, would require much less mass, but the half-life is relatively short, e.g., 138 days, so the power level decreases fairly quickly.

Radio-isotopes are quite expensive! Pu-238 costs ~$8 million per kilogram.
https://ne.oregonstate.edu/rebuilding-supply-pu-238

A major disadvantage of a radioactive source is the fact that they decay continuously, so they are always on. When not driving, one would have to plug the generator into the grid to dump the power, or otherwise remove the heat. It would be a great heat source in winter.
 

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