Could someone explain how to evaluate this horrible integral?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a specific integral involving hyperbolic functions and its implications in the context of periodic motion. Participants explore various methods and tools for solving the integral, as well as the conditions under which it should yield real results.

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  • One participant presents the integral and expresses difficulty in evaluating it, noting that attempts with Mathematica yield imaginary results, which they believe is incorrect given the physical context.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral resembles an elliptic integral, implying a potential complexity in its evaluation.
  • Some participants argue that since the integrand is real and the limits are real, the result should also be real, recommending the use of specific commands in mathematical software to ensure real assumptions.
  • A different participant reports a successful evaluation using Maple, providing a specific result and suggesting the possibility of using complex contour integration, although they express doubt about its feasibility due to the finite upper limit.
  • A later reply reiterates the original integral and proposes a substitution method that leads to a different evaluation, ultimately arriving at a result that contradicts the elliptic integral claim.
  • Another participant acknowledges the skill involved in the integration process presented.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the integral, with some suggesting it is an elliptic integral while others provide alternative evaluations that yield real results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to evaluate the integral.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the integral under different mathematical tools and the implications of the results in physical contexts. The discussion includes various methods of substitution and integration techniques that may depend on specific conditions.

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The integral is

[tex] \int_0^{f(E)} \frac{\cosh \alpha x}{\sqrt{1-\beta \cosh^2 \alpha x}} dx,[/tex]

where

[tex] f(E) = \frac{1}{\alpha}\cosh^{-1}(\sqrt{\frac{1}{\beta}}),[/tex]

[tex]\alpha > 0[/tex], and [tex]0<\beta<1[/tex]. The integral has proven very difficult to evaluate. Every time I plug it into Mathematica with values for [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\beta[/tex] that satisfy the conditions listed above, I get an imaginary number! But that can't happen because the integral is involved in computing the period of a particle undergoing periodic motion, which is necessarily real.

It is possible that the integral will not evaluate to a real number, in which case I've made a mistake in deriving its form. If that's the case, please let me know. Thanks!
 
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I wouldn't dare. Looks like an elliptic integral to me.
 
Seems like everything inside the integral is real and measurable, and its being integrated over a real interval, so the answer must be real. I know that there are commands to force Maple to assume certain variables are real, between an interval, etc. Maybe try to find the equivalent commands on Mathematical and try it again?
 
Ran this through Maple, the answer is (pi/2)(alpha*sqrt(beta))^-1.

Here is an image:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5376/horribleintegralpd1.png

If you want to actually calculate it, my best guess is maybe to try complex contour integration? That's probably not going to work since the upper limit is finite, but worth a try.
 
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AxiomOfChoice said:
The integral is

[tex] \int_0^{f(E)} \frac{\cosh \alpha x}{\sqrt{1-\beta \cosh^2 \alpha x}} dx,[/tex]

where

[tex] f(E) = \frac{1}{\alpha}\cosh^{-1}(\sqrt{\frac{1}{\beta}}),[/tex]

[tex]\alpha > 0[/tex], and [tex]0<\beta<1[/tex]. The integral has proven very difficult to evaluate. Every time I plug it into Mathematica with values for [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\beta[/tex] that satisfy the conditions listed above, I get an imaginary number! But that can't happen because the integral is involved in computing the period of a particle undergoing periodic motion, which is necessarily real.

It is possible that the integral will not evaluate to a real number, in which case I've made a mistake in deriving its form. If that's the case, please let me know. Thanks!

A simple substitution does the trick. Setting
[tex]cosh(\alpha x)=t[/tex]
gives:
[tex]\frac{1}{\alpha \sqrt{\beta}} \int_{1}^{\frac{1}{\sqrt{\beta}}} \frac{t dt} {\sqrt{t^2-1} \sqrt{\frac{1}{\beta}-t^2}}[/tex]
Setting now:
[tex]t^2-1=u^2[/tex]
gives:
[tex]\frac{1}{\alpha \sqrt{\beta}} \int_{0}^{\sqrt{\frac{1}{\beta}-1}} \frac{du} {\sqrt{\frac{1}{\beta}-1-u^2} }[/tex]
giving arcsin as solution and after filling in the limits you get the result:
[tex]\frac{\pi}{2\alpha \sqrt{\beta}}[/tex]

So, no elliptic integral here, HallsofIvy :-)

coomast
 
That's some deadly integration skill there.
 

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