Could someone explain this step in this proof to me?

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The discussion revolves around a proof involving a sequence of integers, specifically focusing on the relationship between the terms of the sequence and their indices. The original poster seeks clarification on a particular step in the proof that asserts \( n_{k+1} \geq k + 1 \) based on the condition \( n_{k+1} > k \).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions how the transition from \( n_{k+1} > k \) to \( n_{k+1} \geq k + 1 \) is justified. Some participants attempt to clarify this by discussing the implications of strict versus non-strict inequalities.

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Participants are exploring the reasoning behind the inequality transition, with some providing insights into the nature of inequalities. The discussion is productive, as one participant acknowledges a shift in understanding regarding the relationship between the terms.

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There is a mention of a counterexample that aims to challenge the reasoning, but it is met with further clarification about the properties of inequalities. The discussion reflects an ongoing examination of the assumptions underlying the proof.

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Homework Statement



I already have the solutions, just don't understand one step

Let [tex](n_k)_{k=1}^{\infty}[/tex] be a sequence of integers

[tex]n_1 < n_2 < n_3 < ...[/tex]

Then [tex]n_k \geq k[/tex] [tex]\forall k = 1,2, ...[/tex]

In particular [tex]n_k \to \infty[/tex] when [tex]k \to \infty[/tex]

Prove this is true


2. The solution

Employ Induction

(1) Base Case: k = 1

[tex]n_1 \geq 1[/tex]

(2) Induction: Assume [tex]n_k \geq k[/tex] for the case k. We show k + 1 case

[tex]n_{k+1} > n_k > k \implies n_{k+1} > k \implies n_{k+1} \geq k + 1[/tex]

Hence the result holds

Question

How on Earth did we get to [tex]n_{k+1} \geq k + 1[/tex] from [tex]n_{k+1} > k[/tex]
 
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Because nk+1 is strictly greater than k, and both are integers. So nk+1 is either k + 1 or an integer even greater.
 
Ryker said:
Because nk+1 is strictly greater than k, and both are integers. So nk+1 is either k + 1 or an integer even greater.

I don't follow that

Before we had >, then ≥

Counterexample

5 > 4

5 + 1 > 4 + 1

6 > 5

6 ≠ 5, ever
 
Hmm, first of all, if in your "counter-example", you took nk+1 = 5 and k = 4, then 5 ≥ 4 + 1 = 5. Secondly, just because 6 ≠ 5, that doesn't mean 6 ≥ 5 is not true. ≥ is just less strict than > and it allows equality, but doesn't fail even if the equality is never reached. It's still true that 6 is greater than or equal to 5.
 
Ryker said:
Hmm, first of all, if in your "counter-example", you took nk+1 = 5 and k = 4, then 5 ≥ 4 + 1 = 5. Secondly, just because 6 ≠ 5, that doesn't mean 6 ≥ 5 is not true. ≥ is just less strict than > and it allows equality, but doesn't fail even if the equality is never reached. It's still true that 6 is greater than or equal to 5.

Wow I hadn't even thought of it that way. I mean not the ≥ part, but 5 = 5.

Thanks problem solved
 

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