Could Steam and Coke Reactions Lead to Water Gas Formation?

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The discussion revolves around the potential reactions between steam and coke, particularly focusing on the formation of water gas. Participants explore the feasibility of separating hydrogen and oxygen from steam, the combustion processes involved, and historical incidents related to water gas production in industrial contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recounts an experience with a centrifuge that seemingly separated steam into hydrogen and oxygen, suggesting partial combustion of steam.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of separating hydrogen and oxygen from water using a centrifuge, expressing skepticism about the initial claim.
  • A participant questions the possibility of combustion in steam, noting that thermal decomposition of water typically requires much higher temperatures than those found in industrial steam applications.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of water gas, explaining that steam in contact with red hot coke can produce this gas, and references historical incidents related to its accidental production in industrial settings.
  • It is mentioned that coke can be derived from various carbon-based materials when overheated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the separation of gases from steam and the combustion processes involved. There is no consensus on the initial claim regarding the centrifuge or the conditions under which water gas is produced.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the temperatures required for thermal decomposition and the specific conditions under which steam interacts with coke remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the exact mechanisms or conditions for the reactions mentioned.

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Individuals interested in chemical reactions involving steam and carbon, historical industrial processes, or the production of gases in high-temperature environments may find this discussion relevant.

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Once upon a time I managed (unintentionally) to use a primitive centrifuge to spin a jet of steam. The spinning steam jet separated (or more likely partially separated) into hydrogen and oxygen components. A blue flame appeared at the confluence of gasses. I do believe that steam had partial combustion.
Any ideas?
 
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I'm not sure what you saw, but you can't separate hydrogen and oxygen from water with a centrifuge.
 
Is there anything that can burn in steam? From what I remember thermal decomposition of water requires temperatures well above the typical temperature of steam used in industrial settings.
 
Not exactly burn but steam coming into contact with red hot coke produces the dangerous ' water gas ' .

Accidental or out of control production of water gas in malfunctioning equipment in industry caused several serious incidents in Victorian times .

Coke can be formed when many carbon based materials are overheated .
 

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