Could this be a demonstrtion of following lucky strikes?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical validity of a betting strategy based on the concept of "lucky strikes" in gambling. Participants explore various models of betting outcomes, strategies for winning or losing, and the implications of these strategies in the context of probability and randomness.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a betting strategy where they continue to gamble on wins and draws but retire on losses, claiming this gives a 10% edge based on their calculations.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of quantum entanglement and nonlocality, suggesting that these concepts could relate to developing a winning strategy in gambling.
  • A different participant revises their approach to a symmetric strategy, analyzing the outcomes of three pairs of games and calculating the probabilities of winning and losing based on their new framework.
  • One participant discusses applying a tetravalent value system to a binary tree to analyze the outcomes, suggesting that ignoring draws could alter the probabilities significantly.
  • Another participant challenges the mathematical basis of the strategies presented, emphasizing that mathematics does not guarantee favorable outcomes and mentioning the house edge in casinos.
  • A participant acknowledges mistakes in their calculations regarding the outcomes and probabilities, indicating a need for correction in their earlier claims.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the proposed betting strategies, with some supporting the mathematical reasoning behind them while others challenge their validity. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the strategies and their implications.

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Limitations include potential oversights in calculating outcomes and the dependence on assumptions about the nature of randomness and betting strategies. The discussion does not fully address the impact of the house edge in gambling scenarios.

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folklore knows if you are in a winning streak you have to keep betting while if you are losing is better to retire

ill prove this is mathematically true and logic:

lets analize the odds of following this startegy in a single game

my startegy is bet in pairs, on draw(one win one lose) i keep gambling, on losing i retire (one lose one lose), i only keep gambling on win(one win one win) or on draw

in this universe the first two posible outcomes are:

00=win or 11=lose

01 or 10 doesn't exist in this universe cause if this was the case i would keep gambling, i bet 0.5 euro in ech game

so the first two posible games that exist in the universe of this staregy are:

win or lose 00 or 11 for this two there's a chance of 1/4 each profit=0

the next posible outcomes in this universe are:

ww or wl with a chance 1/16 profit 1 euro

then www or wwl chance 1/64 profit 2 euro

then wwww or wwwl chance 1/256 profit 3 euro

then wwwww or wwwwl chance 1/1024 profit 4 euro

...


these are the only posible outcomes of a single game with this strategy the rest just don't exist

so now its just a matter of adding the odds:

1/16+ 2/64 +3/256 +4/ 1024 ...=0.109375

so following the staregy of keeping in a lucky strike and retiring on a bad one gives you a 10% edge

popular folklore is right on this one
 
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with this like with quantum entanglement is imposible to know what's going to be a randon number

still nonlocality as with quantum entanglement is big enough as to can have a winning startegy
 
actually i got it reversed let's start all over with the simetric strategy:

i gamble 3 couples of games then stop playing unless my startegy makes me stop before

if i draw getting 01 or 10 i keep gambling if i win i stop if i lose i keep at it until i win or the 3 couple of games are over

this is the universe of posible end games:

w i retire
lw i retire
llw or lll or ll draw or ll draw

there are no other elements in this universe

for w the chance is 1 / 4 so there's a chance 1 /4 i win one
lw doesn't count is a draw 0 chance 1/(4*4)
for llw or lll or lldraw or lldraw there's a chance 1/(4*4*4) each

for llw i lose -1 with lll i lose -3 with lldraw i lose -2 with ll draw i lose -2

so let's add the odds:

win chance 1* 1/4=16/64
lose chance -8* 1/64= -8/64

edit

i neglected ldl and ld"l so actually i can lose - 12/64 but win 16/64

dll doesn't exist in this universe because if i draw on first i stop
 
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the key is I am applying a tetravvalent value w,l,d or d" to a binary tree

imagine i follow the startegy of completely ignore draw just don't count them an i applied this system

the universe of this startegy would be only composed of

w +1 chance 1/2(now its 1/2 not 1/4)
lw 0 chance 1/(2*2)
llw -1 chance 1/(2*2*2)
lll -3 chance 1/(2*2*2)
now with this startegy i win 1*4/8

and lose -4 * 1/8

0 gain 0 lose chance

:)

but if you apply a tetravalent tree to a binary one locality of randomness is broken :) still you can't know the future but you can have an strategy to have future to be favorable
 
I think you are not sure what you are trying to do, but mathematics will not favor anything. PS You forgot to tell us the house take, the % the casino automatically deducts for itself.

Wynn, a famous casino builder and owner here in Las Vegas, put it simply years ago: "System Players? We send a cab to pick them up and bring them here!"

And let me add he is a very wealthy man, owns a yacht with his own chef, and collects high priced art paintings.
However, there is some question about his eyesight. He was going to sell a Pacasso for $139,000,000 but then accidently punched a hole in it! He decided to repair and keep the panting.
 
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yeah i realized of my mistake:


i neglected ldd", ld"d , ldd and ld"d" with with the 4/64 edge is lost :(
 

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