Countable Non-Differentiable Points on Convex Curve Boundaries

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The discussion revolves around proving that a convex curve C has a tangent line except at a countable number of points. The original poster is exploring the properties of convex regions and the nature of non-differentiable points on their boundaries.

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  • The original poster considers parametrizing the curve and identifying non-differentiable points, particularly focusing on corners with angular measures. Other participants question the possibility of having a countably infinite number of non-differentiable points and discuss the implications of summing over uncountable indices.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in exploring the implications of the original poster's approach and questioning the assumptions regarding the countability of non-differentiable points. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of sums over uncountable sets, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the definitions and properties of convex regions and the implications of differentiability on their boundaries. There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between angles and non-differentiable points.

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I am having trouble proving the following:

Suppose that [itex]E[/itex] is a convex region in the plane bounded by a curve [itex]C[/itex]. Show that [itex]C[/itex] has a tangent line except at a countable number of points.

[itex]E[/itex] is convex iff for every [itex]x, y \in E,[/itex] and for every [itex]\lambda \in [0,1], (1-\lambda) x + \lambda y \in E[/itex].

I am considering an approach where I parametrize [itex]C[/itex] in a fixed orientation and then look at the places where it is not differentiable, showing somehow that corners with some angular measure [itex]a \in [0,\pi)[/itex] are the only flavor of non-differentiable parts on this curve, and then showing that the number of corners is bounded by [itex]\frac{2\pi}{\pi - a}[/itex] for the largest [itex]a[/itex].

Any thoughts?
 
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I think you are on the right general track. But there can be a countably infinite number of nondifferentiable points, yes? Can you show that an uncountable sum of positive numbers must be infinite?
 
Ah, right, we could have a polygon(?) with angles ##\pi, \frac{3\pi}{2}, \frac{7\pi}{4}...##

How do you take an uncountable sum? That sounds quite exotic! I am trying to imagine a proof by contradiction and pigeon-hole.
 
alanlu said:
Ah, right, we could have a polygon(?) with angles ##\pi, \frac{3\pi}{2}, \frac{7\pi}{4}...##

How do you take an uncountable sum? That sounds quite exotic! I am trying to imagine a proof by contradiction and pigeon-hole.

It's not that exotic. Suppose you are summing c_i over an uncountable index i belonging to a set I. Define I_n to be the set of all i such that c_i>1/n for n a positive integer. Then if the sum is finite, I_n must be finite for all n, right? What's the union of all of the I_n? Forgive me for not TeXing this.
 
It would be all the positive values in I, so I has at most a countable subset of nonzero values when the value of the sum is finite, as the union of countably many finite sets is at most countable. Thanks for the help!
 

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