Countably Many Subdivisions of the Real Line into Open Intervals

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The problem involves a family of mutually non-intersecting open intervals on the real line, denoted as A=\{(a_\alpha,b_\alpha),\alpha\in I\}. The task is to prove that this family contains at most countably many elements, with a focus on the properties of countability in relation to the real line.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of finding an injection from the set of intervals to the rationals as a means to demonstrate countability. There are questions about the validity of certain mappings and concerns regarding the uniqueness of rational numbers. Some participants suggest considering intervals of specific lengths or using properties of the rationals to find suitable mappings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on how to construct injections, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions related to the intervals and their properties. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential issues with the definitions of the intervals, such as the implications of endpoints being zero or irrational. The constraints of the problem and the nature of the intervals are under examination, which may affect the proposed solutions.

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Homework Statement


Let A=\{(a_\alpha,b_\alpha),\alpha\in I\} be a family of mutually non-intersecting intervals on the real line. Here I is an arbitrary set of indexes. Prove that this family contains at most countably many elements (intervals).

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None, other than all of the stuff on countability of a set.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried to find an enumeration but I haven't gotten anywhere. I'm guessing that this is a property of the real line - it can only be split up into a countable number of open intervals, but I can't see how to prove it. A hint to start may be all I need.

At least I've been able to get the other five problems on this homework :)
 
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To show a set is countable, it is sufficient to show there is an injection from the set to some countable set... such as, oh I don't know... the rationals?
 
Okay, (correct me if I'm wrong then), I can define an injection f:A\rightarrow Q as f((a_\alpha,b_\alpha))=\frac{a_\alpha}{b_\alpha} (in my class we've used bijections, but I can see that an injection will also work - surjectivity is not necessary for a set that may not be infinite). My only qualm about that is, what if b_\alpha is zero for some alpha? Also, I'm assuming that we can ignore the uniqueness of a rational number (that is, ignore the fact that 1/3 and 9/27 are in the same class). Afterall, we showed in my class that Q^+ \sim J\times J, which also ignores differentiation of elements within classes.

Thanks for your help!
 
a0/b0 isn't necessarily rational! And you can't ignore your uniqueness problem. quasar987 is likely suggesting you just pick a rational in each interval and assign it to f((a0,b0)). So your intervals can be placed in 1-1 correspondence with a subset of Q.
 
You could start by counting all the intervals of length at least 1/2.
 
PingPong said:
Okay, (correct me if I'm wrong then), I can define an injection f:A\rightarrow Q as f((a_\alpha,b_\alpha))=\frac{a_\alpha}{b_\alpha} (in my class we've used bijections, but I can see that an injection will also work - surjectivity is not necessary for a set that may not be infinite). My only qualm about that is, what if b_\alpha is zero for some alpha? Also, I'm assuming that we can ignore the uniqueness of a rational number (that is, ignore the fact that 1/3 and 9/27 are in the same class). Afterall, we showed in my class that Q^+ \sim J\times J, which also ignores differentiation of elements within classes.

Thanks for your help!
What if you used f_\alpha = f((a_\alpha,b_\alpha), k_\alpha)=k_\alpha a_\alpha + (1-k_\alpha)b_\alpha for some 0 < k_\alpha < 1 (e.g. "some middle point" in each interval)?

A remaining question is, what if either of a or b is irrational for some alpha, so f_\alpha is irrational? What property of the Rationals can you use to find a rational number "near" f_\alpha and within (a_\alpha,b_\alpha) for each \alpha?
 
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mXCSNT said:
You could start by counting all the intervals of length at least 1/2.
My mistake, I misread it... first map the real line to the interval (0, 1) then count all the intervals whose image under that map have length at least 1/2, of which there are at most 1.
 
The argument is very simple. Every interval of R contains rationals. Create a map that assigns to every alpha in I a rational contained in (a_\alpha,b_\alpha). Since your intervals are disjoint by hypotheses, this map in injective. Done. You've created an injection from I to Q.
 

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