Countercurrent and concurrent exchanger?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between countercurrent and concurrent exchangers, particularly in the context of physiological processes such as those occurring in the kidneys. Participants seek clarification on how these mechanisms maintain concentration gradients and the implications for blood and water flow.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how countercurrent exchangers maintain a concentration gradient compared to concurrent exchangers, asking for a simple explanation and clarification of accompanying diagrams.
  • Another participant critiques the initial diagrams, suggesting a more accurate representation of countercurrent flow and explaining the significance of osmolarity in the kidney's loop of Henle.
  • The same participant describes the countercurrent multiplier mechanism, noting the active transport of salt and its role in amplifying concentration gradients.
  • A later reply indicates that the numerical values in the diagrams are placeholders and draws an analogy to thermal transport, referencing a specific physiology text as a useful resource.
  • One participant requests further clarification on how the percentage values in the diagrams are derived and what they represent, indicating a lack of understanding of the underlying concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the diagrams or the explanation of the mechanisms. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the representation of countercurrent and concurrent exchangers, and the discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the concepts for all participants.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of the diagrams and the physiological concepts they represent. Some participants express uncertainty about the numerical values and their significance, indicating a need for further exploration of the topic.

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Hello everyone,

I searched the net but I don't understand the difference.

BLO0D FLOW ---------------------------------->
0% .......… saturation
0% .......… saturation
WATER FLOW <-------------------------------

Countercurrent

BLO0D FLOW ---------------------------------->
0% .......… saturation
100%........… saturation
WATER FLOW --------------------------------->

Concurrent

I understand how equilibrium would be reached in concurrent but I don't understand how counter current maintains a concentration gradient. Please explain in simple language. Also if you can explain the above diagrams, I got it from net I don't understand them much. Thanks :smile:
 
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Those diagrams don't make too much sense...maybe the concurrent (simple exchange), but the countercurrent should look like:

BLOOD ----------------->
0%---------------> 90%
10%-------------> 100%
WATER <-----------------

It's clear from the above that along the length of the tubes, there is flow from the higher to the lower.

Now, in the kidney, the tubes form a loop, with high osmolarity in the medulla:

->600 mOsm-------->1200 mOsm----------->600 mOsm--->

And this allows for the supply of blood to the medulla without altering the high osmolarity of the medulla (which would abolish the urine concentrating mechanism).

The mechanism of the countercurrent multiplier refers to the active transport of salt out of the loop of Henle into the vasa recta. This amplifies the small gradient between the limbs to create a large gradient along the length of the limb of the loop.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Those diagrams don't make too much sense...maybe the concurrent (simple exchange), but the countercurrent should look like:

BLOOD ----------------->
0%---------------> 90%
10%-------------> 100%
WATER <-----------------

It's clear from the above that along the length of the tubes, there is flow from the higher to the lower.

Now, in the kidney, the tubes form a loop, with high osmolarity in the medulla:

->600 mOsm-------->1200 mOsm----------->600 mOsm--->

And this allows for the supply of blood to the medulla without altering the high osmolarity of the medulla (which would abolish the urine concentrating mechanism).

The mechanism of the countercurrent multiplier refers to the active transport of salt out of the loop of Henle into the vasa recta. This amplifies the small gradient between the limbs to create a large gradient along the length of the limb of the loop.

Thanks a lot for the response Andy :smile: Your answer is just what I need but I'm finding it difficult to understand.

0%---------------> 90%
10%-------------> 100%

Could you please tell me how to get those values and what is this the percentage of? Please excuse my poor understanding in this area.
 
The numbers are placeholders; the material I referred to draws an analogy with thermal transport. Silbernagl and Despopoulos "Color Atlas of Physiology" (Thieme) is as close to an ideal reference as I have seen.
 

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