Counterfactual Transmission of Information

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a paper related to counterfactual transmission of information, particularly focusing on the claims made regarding the absence of photon travel between two parties, Alice and Bob. Participants seek comments on the paper and explore its implications for the feasibility of counterfactual communications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty accessing the paper due to a paywall and seek alternative links or preprints.
  • One participant mentions that the paper does not provide measurements to substantiate the counterfactual claim, suggesting it may not contribute to the ongoing debate about the possibility of counterfactual communications.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of conducting independent experiments to eliminate potential errors, although they note that the experimental setup discussed is less complex than others.
  • There is a suggestion that information may be carried by the breaking of coherence, although this point is not elaborated upon in detail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the paper or the validity of the counterfactual claims. Multiple viewpoints regarding the accessibility of the paper and its experimental claims remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the paper's claims and the necessity for further independent verification. There are references to specific articles and links that may not lead to the full content of the paper, indicating limitations in accessing the material for discussion.

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That paper is behind a paywall. Someone have an arXiv preprint that's close enough to the final version to substitute?
 
Nugatory said:
That paper is behind a paywall. Someone have an arXiv preprint that's close enough to the final version to substitute?

Really? I'm sorry, someone sent me a link to the Science Alert article and I just clicked the link in that article to the paper itself.

Try this link to the article and then to the paper: http://flip.it/gao4h9
 
The link in the article is taking me to the same place as the link in your original post: the page at pnas.org with the abstract but not the content of the paper.
 
Nugatory said:
The link in the article is taking me to the same place as the link in your original post: the page at pnas.org with the abstract but not the content of the paper.

At the abstract page just under the authors there is like a menu bar, at the end there is a PDF tab, that takes you to the paper. I tried to upload it but it's too big.
 
DrClaude said:
It is an implementation of 10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.170502 (https://arxiv.org/abs/1206.2042). They don't do any measurement to prove the counterfactual claim (that no photons ever travel between Alice and Bob), so it won't help with the debate on whether counterfactual communications are actually possible.

It never hurt to make more independent experiments to rule out a CERN like error, although in this case the setup is way less complex.
 

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