Counterterms Feynman Rules Derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Feynman rules for counterterms in phi-four theory, exploring various approaches and references that might aid in understanding this topic. The scope includes theoretical derivations and references to literature on quantum field theory.

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  • One participant requests references for the derivation of Feynman rules for phi-four theory.
  • Another participant suggests that Peskin and Schroeder's book may contain relevant information, although they do not have the book available for confirmation.
  • A different participant explains that the derivation of Feynman rules for counterterms parallels that of regular interactions, suggesting that counterterms can be viewed as new interactions.
  • It is noted that the derivation involves rewriting the action with bare constants expressed in terms of physical constants, referencing Peskin and Schroeder for further details.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the BPH formalism, describing how to separate the Lagrangian into measurable and bare parameters, and discusses the necessity of specifying a cutoff for divergent parameters.
  • Links to external resources are provided for further reading on phi-four theory and QED, along with a paper discussing the underlying principles of renormalization.
  • The participant emphasizes that expressing theories in terms of measurable quantities helps ensure that calculations yield finite results by canceling infinities through adjustments of counter-terms.

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Participants present various viewpoints and approaches to the derivation of Feynman rules for counterterms, with no clear consensus reached on a single method or reference. The discussion remains open with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the specifics of the phi-four theory parameters and the implications of using bare versus renormalized values. The discussion highlights the complexity of the derivation process and the need for careful consideration of divergences and cutoffs.

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Does anyone have a link or a reference to somewhere where these rules are explicitly derived for phi-four theory?
 
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I know Peskin/Schroeder talks about phi-fourth theory...I don't have my book in front of me but it might have something of interest (maybe you've already looked at this one).
 
The derivation of the Feynman rules for the counterterms goes through exactly like the derivation of the Feynman rules for regular interactions: the idea is that the counterterms are just new interactions. Srednicki has a pretty decent derivation of the Feynman rules for a ##\phi^3## interaction in a scalar field theory; you could try your hand at running the same derivation for the counterterms.
 
The "derivation" of the counterterm rules just involves writing the bare constants as:
Z = 1 + \delta_Z
Zm_0^2 = m^2 + \delta_m
Z^2 \lambda_0 = \lambda + \delta_\lambda

This is just a rewriting of the action, but you have isolated the physical constants before
calculations. If you just place the above relations into the action, the action now has a different free/interacting split. See chapter 10 of Peskin and Schroeder for more details.
 
IMHO it's easiest to derive and see in the BPH formalism.

What you do is write the Lagrangian in two parts L1 and L2 and L = L1 + L2. L1 is simply the Lagrangian written with the variables, namely the EM and electron fields, the fine structure constant, and the electron mass, as the renormalised values for QED. For the phi 4 theory they are the values of that theory which I can't recall off hand but will give a link to. These are the values you actually measure. But that is not the actual Lagrangian which is in terms of the bare parameters which are divergent - some say they are not really measurable - not so sure about that - but rather they are cutoff dependent and you need to specify a cutoff to determine its value from what you do measure - the renormalised values. So L2 = L - L1 where L is the bare Lagrangian. The parameters of L2 are not specified but rather calculated so that what you are calculate from L is finite. You calculate exactly the same as usual but using L1 - it blows up with infinity - but you adjust the constants in L2 to cancel them so that what you get is finite.

For Phi 4 check out:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4700v1.pdf

For QED check out:
http://bolvan.ph.utexas.edu/~vadim/classes/2012f/qedfr.pdf

Why does it work and what is really going on? - here is the best paper I have come across:
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0212049

But basically the idea is if you express physical theories in terms of what you measure (and those things are not divergent like the bare parameters) then what you calculate from them is also finite - the infinities of the theory are canceled during calculation - so knowing that you simply adjust the undetermined terms (the counter-terms) to do just that. That's why you write the Lagrangian in terms of what you measure and adjust the counter-terms so what you get is finite.

Thanks
Bill
 
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