Counting Question Concerning Circular Arrangements

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The discussion revolves around counting arrangements in circular settings, specifically involving boys and girls seated on a Ferris wheel and at a round table. The original poster presents two related questions about the number of arrangements under specific conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for circular arrangements and presents their reasoning for both questions. Some participants confirm the correctness of the original poster's approach for the first question, while others explore the implications of different interpretations of seating arrangements in the second question.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing validation for the original poster's reasoning. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding what constitutes a distinct arrangement, particularly in the context of the second question.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the validity of their notes and the differing answers they provide for the second question, which introduces ambiguity in the interpretation of seating arrangements.

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Homework Statement


I have two questions. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post two at once so I'll start with one

"Twenty boys and twenty girls are to take a ride on a Ferris wheel with twenty pods. How many ways can they be arranged if each pod is to contain one boy and boy girl"

Homework Equations


For circular arrangements, (n-1)! possible arrangements

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Fix the first boy, sort of the other 19 around him... 19! ways
2. Now, with all the spots set in terms of the first boy, sort the 20 girls... 20! ways
3. Thus, there are 20!*19! ways to sort them

I am pretty sure this is correct but I can't find my notes so I do not know for sure.
 
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Yes, that looks correct to me.
 
andrewkirk said:
Yes, that looks correct to me.
All right, I thought so. Well we did a similar one that my notes give an odd answer for.

Homework Statement


"How many ways are there to seat 5 boys and a 5 girls at a round table so that boys and girls alternate?

Homework Equations


For circular arrangements, (n-1)! possible arrangements

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Fix the first boy, arrange the other 4 around him... 4!
2. With the spots set, arrange the 5 girls... 5!
3. In total, there are 5!*4! ways

But my notes say (5!)^2. Which one is right?
 
Either one can be correct, depending on what we mean when we say that two seating plans are different. ##(5!)^2## is correct if making them all stand up and move one place to their left is regarded as changing the seating plan. If it isn't then ##5!4!## is the correct answer. In the Ferris wheel case, it was not regarded as a change, so ##20!19!## was the answer.
 

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