Covariant Characterization of Causality in Continuum: T^{ik}v_k

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of the object ##T^{ik}v_k##, where ##T^{ik}## is the stress-energy tensor and ##v_k## is a future-pointing, time-like four vector. Participants explore whether this object is future-pointing and not space-like, focusing on mathematical properties and conditions that must be satisfied.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine that ##T^{ik}v_k## is future-pointing and not space-like.
  • Another participant inquires about the dot product of two future-pointing timelike vectors in the context of the discussion.
  • It is suggested to compute the squared length of the vector ##T^{ik}v_k## to analyze its properties.
  • A participant proposes an expression for the squared length involving the metric tensor, but expresses uncertainty about its implications.
  • Another participant confirms the expression for the squared length and notes that for the vector to be timelike, its squared length must have the same sign as ##v_k v^k##, hinting at conditions on the components of ##T^{ij}##.
  • One participant presents their calculations for the squared length but struggles to derive conditions for ##T^{ik}## from them.
  • A later reply challenges the accuracy of the earlier calculations, suggesting a different form for the expansion of ##T^{ik} v_k T_{ij} v^j##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and conditions for ##T^{ik}##, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct approach or results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vector ##T^{ik}v_k## is not always timelike and that specific conditions on the components of ##T^{ij}## are necessary for it to be classified as such. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the properties of the stress-energy tensor.

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Hi!

Let ##T^{ik}## be the stress-energy-tensor, and ##v_k## some future-pointing, time-like four vector.

How can I see that the object ##T^{ik}v_k## is future-pointing and not space-like?

Thank you for your help!
 
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What is the dot product of two future pointing timelike vectors in your signature convention?
 
##v_k v^k##
 
Emil_M said:
How can I see that the object ##T^{ik}v_k## is future-pointing and not space-like?

Compute its squared length. What do you get?
 
PeterDonis said:
Compute its squared length. What do you get?

The thing is, I am not really sure how to do that :)

What I'd do is the following:

##T^{ik}v_k T_{il}v^l=T^{ik}v_k \eta_{im}\eta_{ln}T^{mn} \eta^{lj}v_j## but I'm not sure if that leads anywhere...
 
Emil_M said:
What I'd do is the following

This is correct as an expression for the squared length of the vector, yes. If that vector is timelike, then the sign of its squared length must be the same as the sign of ##v_k v^k##. How would you go about comparing the signs of the two?

(One hint: you should find that, in order for the signs of the two to be the same, you have to impose conditions on the components of ##T^{ij}##; i.e., the vector you're looking at is not always timelike, it only is if ##T## satisfies certain conditions.)
 
PeterDonis said:
If that vector is timelike, then the sign of its squared length must be the same as the sign of ##v_k v^k##. How would you go about comparing the signs of the two?

(One hint: you should find that, in order for the signs of the two to be the same, you have to impose conditions on the components of ##T^{ij}##; i.e., the vector you're looking at is not always timelike, it only is if ##T## satisfies certain conditions.)

Thanks for your help.

According to my calculations T^{ik}v_k T_{ij}v^j=(T^{00}v_0+T^{01}v_1+T^{02}v_2+T^{03}v_3)^2-(T^{10}v_0+T^{11}v_1+T^{12}v_2+T^{13}v_3)^2-(T^{20}v_0+T^{21}v_1+T^{22}v_2+T^{23}v_3)^2-(T^{30}v_0+T^{31}v_1+T^{32}v_2+T^{33}v_3)^2.

However, I am struggling to find conditions for ##T^{ik}## from this...
 
Emil_M said:
According to my calculations

These don't look right. The expression ##T^{ik} v_k T_{ij} v^j## should expand to terms that look like ##( T^{00} v_0 + T^{01} v_1 + T^{02} v_2 + T^{03} v_3 ) ( T_{00} v^0 + T_{01} v^1 + T_{02} v^2 + T_{03} v^3 )##, with the index positions on ##T## and ##v## switching from one factor to the other.
 

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