Covariant derivative of a commutator (deriving Bianchi identity)

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the Bianchi identity starting from the torsion tensor in a torsion-free space. Participants explore the covariant differentiation of a specific identity involving the torsion tensor and the commutator of vector fields, examining the mathematical steps involved in this derivation.

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  • One participant presents the identity involving the torsion tensor and questions how a specific term arises during covariant differentiation.
  • Another participant provides a calculation in normal coordinates to show how the term involving the commutator of vector fields can be expressed in terms of covariant derivatives.
  • A later reply confirms the reasoning behind using normal coordinates, suggesting that it allows for the substitution of partial derivatives with covariant derivatives in the neighborhood.

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Participants appear to agree on the mathematical steps taken in the derivation, but there is no explicit consensus on the broader implications or interpretations of the results.

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The discussion relies on the assumption of normal coordinates and the properties of covariant derivatives, which may not be universally applicable in all contexts. The specific mathematical steps and their dependencies are not fully resolved.

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Hi. I'm trying to understand a derivation of the Bianchi idenity which starts from the torsion tensor in a torsion free space;

$$ 0 = T(X,Y) = \nabla_X Y - \nabla_Y X - [X,Y]$$

according to the author, covariant differentiation of this identity with respect to a vector Z yields

$$$ 0 = \nabla_Z \{\nabla_X Y - \nabla_Y X - [X,Y]\} = \nabla_Z\nabla_X Y - \nabla_Z \nabla_Y X - \{ \nabla_{[X,Y]}Z + [Z,[X,Y]] \}$$.

The two first terms are obvious, but how does he arrive at the third term?
 
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Let ##p \in M## and choose normal coordinates on a neighborhood of ##p##.

Then ##[Z,[X,Y]]^{\mu}|_p\\ = Z^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}[X,Y]^{\mu}|_p - [X,Y]^{\nu}\partial_{\nu} Z^{\mu}|_p\\ = Z^{\nu}\nabla_{\nu}[X,Y]^{\mu}|_p - [X,Y]^{\nu}\nabla_{\nu}Z^{\mu}|_p##

so ##\nabla_{Z}[X,Y]|_p = \nabla_{[X,Y]}Z|_p + [Z,[X,Y]]|_p##.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
Let ##p \in M## and choose normal coordinates on a neighborhood of ##p##.

Then ##[Z,[X,Y]]^{\mu}|_p\\ = Z^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}[X,Y]^{\mu}|_p - [X,Y]^{\nu}\partial_{\nu} Z^{\mu}|_p\\ = Z^{\nu}\nabla_{\nu}[X,Y]^{\mu}|_p - [X,Y]^{\nu}\nabla_{\nu}Z^{\mu}|_p##

so ##\nabla_{Z}[X,Y]|_p = \nabla_{[X,Y]}Z|_p + [Z,[X,Y]]|_p##.

Thanks WbN! Was the point of choosing normal coordinates that you could immediately set ##\partial_\nu \to \nabla_\nu## within the neighbourhood?
 
Yep!
 

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