Creating a Positive/Negative Magnetic Ball

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a magnetic ball with a positive magnetic core and a negative exterior, as well as the implications of such a configuration. Participants explore concepts related to magnetic poles, monopoles, and the behavior of magnetic fields in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that magnets have north and south poles rather than positive and negative charges, emphasizing that a magnetic monopole cannot exist.
  • One participant argues that it is impossible to create a perfectly shaped sphere with magnetic field lines uniformly pointing outwards everywhere on its surface.
  • Another participant questions how multiple balls with opposing poles would interact, suggesting that they might repel each other.
  • A hypothesis is presented about magnetizing a ball with multiple sets of north and south poles aligned along different axes.
  • Some participants reference the impossibility of creating an isolated magnetic monopole, citing Gauss's law and its implications for magnetic fields.
  • One participant suggests a practical experiment using bar magnets and Play-Doh to illustrate the concept, noting that the external field would be negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the possibility of creating a magnetic ball with a positive core and negative exterior, with multiple competing views on the implications of magnetic monopoles and the behavior of magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the behavior of magnetic fields in hypothetical configurations, and there are unresolved questions about the interactions between multiple magnetic balls.

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Is it possible to create a ball with a positive magnetic core and a negative exterior? And vice versa?
 
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First of all, you're using the wrong terminology. Magnets don't have negative or positive charges, they have north and south poles, that's very different from electric charges. You can have a positively or negatively charged particle but you can't have a north pole without having the south pole on the same object, in other words you can't have a magnetic monopole, if you break up a bar magnet into peaces every single one of them will have north and south poles. Field lines of magnetic field should be closed curves because otherwise it would violate Gauss's law for magnetism (which states that divergence of magnetic vector field is zero).

I think it's impossible to create a perfectly shaped sphere with magnetic field lines uniformly pointing outwards everywhere on its surface.
 
Alexandre said:
First of all, you're using the wrong terminology. Magnets don't have negative or positive charges, they have north and south poles, that's very different from electric charges. You can have a positively or negatively charged particle but you can't have a north pole without having the south pole on the same object, in other words you can't have a magnetic monopole, if you break up a bar magnet into peaces every single one of them will have north and south poles. Field lines of magnetic field should be closed curves because otherwise it would violate Gauss's law for magnetism (which states that divergence of magnetic vector field is zero).

I think it's impossible to create a perfectly shaped sphere with magnetic field lines uniformly pointing outwards everywhere on its surface.

What about this? http://www.eachmall.com/goods-23297-23297.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwv9-gBRD5ofn2jd2N0UUSJACcdilsuCLRjOOhoOv0Dfuh893JhJwV2ymMCQmOEaLwtGKyIhoCnofw_wcB
 
radaballer said:
What about this? http://www.eachmall.com/goods-23297-23297.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwv9-gBRD5ofn2jd2N0UUSJACcdilsuCLRjOOhoOv0Dfuh893JhJwV2ymMCQmOEaLwtGKyIhoCnofw_wcB

Those balls have north and south poles.
 
berkeman said:
Those balls have north and south poles.

How would all of the balls stick together? Wouldn't they repel?
 
radaballer said:
How would all of the balls stick together? Wouldn't they repel?

I suppose they might have 3 sets of N/S poles for each ball. Picture a rectangular 3-D coordinate system with the origin at the center of the ball. Then magnetize the ball with N pointing out the + end of each x, y, z axis, and S pointing out the - end of each axis.

If you visit a hobby store and experiment with a set of magnetic balls a bit, you can probably figure out how they are magnetized...
 
If you took two small balls in your hand and rotated them around, I'm sure you'll find that they don't stick in every direction.

If you somehow made a ball with a positive magnetic core and a negative outer layer (by assembling a million small bar magnets, all facing inward), then the field outside the ball would be zero, and you might as well not have a magnet at all. This is because of Gauss's law, applied to a magnetic "charge".
 
radaballer said:
Is it possible to create a ball with a positive magnetic core and a negative exterior? And vice versa?

No. From the outside this would look like an isolated magnetic monopole which aren't thought to exist..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole
 
Actually, if you built one of these - perhaps by sticking a lot of bar magnets radially in Play-Doh - you will find from the outside there is little to no field. Try it!
 
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is that what he's doing here?
 
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bluntwcrackrap said:
is that what he's doing here?


He's certainly NOT creating a "monopole magnet".
 
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