Creation of a fundamental particle

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The discussion revolves around the creation of fundamental particles, specifically addressing the processes involved in producing fermions and bosons, the role of pair production, and the implications of conservation laws in particle interactions. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical scenarios related to particle creation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether pair production is always necessary for creating fundamental particles, particularly fermions and bosons.
  • One participant notes that electrons can be created through processes like the photoelectric effect without producing positrons, suggesting that pair production is not always required.
  • Another participant clarifies that while creating a fermion from a bosonic state typically requires an anti-fermion, it is not always the case that an antiparticle must be produced.
  • There is mention of the W-boson decaying into an electron and an anti-neutrino, raising questions about energy requirements for creating fundamental particles.
  • Conservation of charge is discussed, with a participant arguing that creating a single electron without a corresponding positron would violate charge conservation.
  • Participants debate the minimum energy required to create a fundamental particle, with differing views on whether it should be expressed as mc² or 2mc².

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of pair production and the implications of conservation laws. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the minimum energy required for creating fundamental particles, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of energy requirements on the chosen reference frame and the complexities involved in balancing energy and momentum during particle creation. The discussion also reflects uncertainties regarding the definitions and interpretations of fundamental particle creation.

Ezio3.1415
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Do I always have to use pair production for the fundamental particles... If I have to produce a fermion,I have to create an anti fermion at the same time? what about bosons? i mean what about those who doesn't have antiparticle? Or do I have to create 2 of them as they themselves are their own anti particle?
 
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Ezio3.1415 said:
Do I always have to use pair production for the fundamental particles... If I have to produce a fermion,I have to create an anti fermion at the same time? what about bosons? i mean what about those who doesn't have antiparticle? Or do I have to create 2 of them as they themselves are their own anti particle?

I'm a bit puzzled here.

An electron is a "fundamental particle". I can create it easily via either the photoelectric effect, or thermionic emission. I have created no positron in that process, i.e. I didn't use any pair production.

Zz.
 
@ZapperZ
The photoelectric effect does not create electrons - they are already present in the metal; the photon absorption just provides enough energy to free them.

@Ezio
Yes, to create a fermion from a bosonic state, you always have to create an anti-fermion. But it is not necessarily the antiparticle - for example, a W-boson can decay to an electron and a anti-neutrino.
This also answers the second question - In principle, you can create a single boson (for example a W-Boson from an electron and anti-neutrino. However, usually you'll need some other particle to balance energy and momentum, for example when an electron and a positron annihilate, they form two photons, not one.
 
I meant 'creation'... Zapperz

Sonderval: yeah u understood my ques... "a W-boson can decay to an electron and a anti-neutrino." but that's the case of beta decay... Suppose someone asks me what's the least energy required to create electron... I will say 2mc^2 as I have to create a positron too... But if someone only says fundamental particle,what should I say? E or 2E?
 
Sonderval said:
@Ezio
Yes, to create a fermion from a bosonic state, you always have to create an anti-fermion. But it is not necessarily the antiparticle - for example, a W-boson can decay to an electron

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but conservation of charge is what comes into play here. If you had Q=0 and the create a single electron (without the oppositely charged positron) Q is no longer conserved in that process and therefore not allowed.

Particle interactions cannot violate conservation laws and there are a lot of them ;-)
 
@Ezio
What's wrong with beta-decay?
The minimum energy of course depends on the chosen reference frame. So if you create a virtual W-boson by whatever process that decays into an electron and a neutrino, the minimum energy should be the mass energy of the electron plus that of the neutrino plus the necessary kinetic energy to balance the momenta - all taken in the rest frame of the center of mass of the final particles.
I'm not sure that's a very meaningful number, though.
 
Well if I ask you what's the least energy required to create a fundamental particle of mass m,what would be ur answer? mc^2 or 2mc^2
 

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