Cross-linking Polyvinyl Alcohol

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a food-safe method to create a stringy clear slime using polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) cross-linked with edible chemicals. Participants explore various alternatives and formulations that could achieve the desired properties for a movie project.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that edible alternatives to disodium tetraborate for cross-linking PVA may not exist or may not be effective.
  • One participant proposes that the slime seen in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" could be made from various starches, gums, or soluble polymers rather than PVA.
  • Another participant mentions that PVA with suitable macromers in water could potentially achieve the desired properties.
  • One participant shares their experience with methylcellulose, noting it did not provide the right texture, being more yogurt-like than stringy.
  • There is a suggestion to use carboxymethyl cellulose, with a note on its clarity and viscosity properties.
  • Another participant recommends blending methocel with boiled okra extract to achieve the desired stringiness.
  • A later reply mentions galactose dialdehyde as a potential cross-linking agent but expresses concern about finding a trustworthy food-grade option.
  • Participants discuss the clarity of methylcellulose in water, with some noting it appears clear or translucent depending on concentration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the feasibility of using edible compounds for cross-linking PVA, with no consensus on a definitive solution. Multiple competing views on alternative materials and methods remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainty about the effectiveness of various proposed materials and methods, as well as the dependence on specific formulations and concentrations to achieve desired properties.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in food-safe slime formulations, special effects in film, or those exploring edible polymers and their applications.

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Some friends and I are working on a movie, and we need a very stringy clear slime; like is produced with polyvinyl alcohol cross-linked with disodium tetraborate. Only we need it to be food-safe, so we can't simply use that. Is there another way to cross-link PVA into a stringy slime using edible chemicals?
 
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A few days ago I watched the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and therein was a slime that had pretty much the mechanical properties I'm looking for, and was edible. It wasn't transparent, but milky translucent. And green -- but that's just food coloring. What could it have been made of?

Is cross-linking polyvinyl alcohol using an edible compound just not possible, at least yet?
 
It probably wasn't PVA-based. It could be any number of starches, gums or soluble polymers. Have you seen Guar gum by itself or Carageenan? How about plain Methocel or Ethocel?
 
OP ,

I happen know that PVA with suitable macromers in water formulation would have the properties that you've mentioned ; also you can experiment with saturating water with the PVA and perhaps PVAc in water .
 
Thanks, guys. :smile:

Re: Methylcellulose

I got some of it weeks ago, and tried it out. It's not the right texture. It's not stringy at all, but more like a yogurt.

The other stuff mentioned looks like it will work.
 
Are you referring to Carboxymethyl cellulose ? From what I remember this is not exactly clear in water except at lower concentrations . It can get viscous as it is used as a lubricant .
 
Use the methocel to provide the base viscosity and blend with an extract of boiled okra for the stringiness.
 
I see that galactose dialdehyde can be used as http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TFF-43HJRBJ-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=bb39c841992b0482f858b0de5a3ea6bd"

Finding a food grade aldehyde that I would trust will be a problem though.
 
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chemisttree said:
Use the methocel to provide the base viscosity and blend with an extract of boiled okra for the stringiness.

Ah, mucilage - brilliant idea, there. :smile:
 
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Are you referring to Carboxymethyl cellulose ?

I don't think so, but I wouldn't rule out that being what it is. The container just says methylcellulose -- bought it from a special FX supply company.

It looks quite clear in water to me; though if I mix up a really thick batch (a ball of it will hold its shape against gravity, mostly), it's translucent.
 

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