Flexible material that quickly dissolves in rubbing alcohol

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on finding a flexible material suitable for a medical device that can dissolve quickly in rubbing alcohol but not in water or blood. Participants explore various materials and their properties, considering safety and biodegradability as additional criteria.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that shellac, a natural plastic, may not dissolve quickly after molding, proposing wax as an alternative that might dissolve in ethanol but not in water.
  • Another participant inquires about specific types of wax, mentioning mothballs as a potential option but noting their toxicity.
  • Some participants propose exploring plant-derived materials, specifically resins, which may be moldable and soluble in alcohol while being insoluble in water.
  • There is a discussion about beeswax and vegetable oil as a solvent, with questions about the solubility and dissolution speed of these materials.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the dissolution speed of resin in alcohol, with one participant expressing uncertainty about whether it would meet the requirement of dissolving in less than 10 seconds.
  • Clarification is sought on the thickness of the material, with a participant noting it would be a thin film, potentially affecting dissolution rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific material that meets all criteria. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain, with ongoing exploration of different materials and their properties.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the properties of suggested materials, such as dissolution rates and safety for medical use, which remain unresolved.

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Hello! I'm looking for a substance that can:
(1) be turned into a flexible material (e.g., a flexible plastic),
(2) is dissolveable in rubbing alcohol but not water (or blood), and
(3) safe for a medical procedure

... And, if possible, preferably biodegradable...

I know that's kind of a long list, so I'll provide some context. I'm working on a medical device project. The device has to be safe to put on human skin or, ideally, in a human body. The device should be flexible, and dissolveable in less than 10 seconds upon application of rubbing alcohol (or another substance commonly found in hospitals). Because it's for use in medical procedures, the device obviously can't dissolve if blood or water hits it.

Any help or direction would be very much appreciated! If this can't be achieved with one material, but would require a combination of materials, please let me know, too! I'll take all the help I can get (I'm an electrical engineer with 0 materials knowledge).
 
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It looks like there have been quite a few views of this thread (35+) but no responses. Maybe someone can explain the requirement above that's causing the most difficulty for folks and we can work our way around it? For example, if 1 and 2 are possible but not 3, please let me know that and I'll engineer a solution around it.

Thanks!
 
thedash said:
Hello! I'm looking for a substance that can:
(1) be turned into a flexible material (e.g., a flexible plastic),
(2) is dissolveable in rubbing alcohol but not water (or blood), and
(3) safe for a medical procedure

... And, if possible, preferably biodegradable...

I know that's kind of a long list, so I'll provide some context. I'm working on a medical device project. The device has to be safe to put on human skin or, ideally, in a human body. The device should be flexible, and dissolveable in less than 10 seconds upon application of rubbing alcohol (or another substance commonly found in hospitals). Because it's for use in medical procedures, the device obviously can't dissolve if blood or water hits it.

Any help or direction would be very much appreciated! If this can't be achieved with one material, but would require a combination of materials, please let me know, too! I'll take all the help I can get (I'm an electrical engineer with 0 materials knowledge).
It is really difficult. At first I thought of the natural plastic that old records were made from, which is shellac, made from solution in ethanol, but I doubt it will dissolve quickly again once it has been moulded. So how about a wax, which might dissolve in ethanol but not in water?
 
Thanks for your answer! Is there a particular kind of wax you had in mind?

I feel like I had read somewhere that mothballs will dissolve in rubbing alcohol but not water...but i think those are poisonous, so it probably wouldn't meet criterion number (3).
 
thedash said:
Thanks for your answer! Is there a particular kind of wax you had in mind?

I feel like I had read somewhere that mothballs will dissolve in rubbing alcohol but not water...but i think those are poisonous, so it probably wouldn't meet criterion number (3).
What about beeswax and using vegetable oil as a solvent?
 
256bits said:
You might try something from the plant world, or derivatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin

Resin looks like it could fit the bill. It seems like you might be able to mold resin into a fairly flexible but solid material (i'm not sure this is the case because it doesn't explicitly say it on Wiki, but i assume you can). It also seems to be insoluble in water but mostly soluble in alcohol. Any idea on how long it takes to dissolve resin in alcohol - is it fairly quick?
 
tech99 said:
What about beeswax and using vegetable oil as a solvent?
I like this idea too, thanks! So beeswax won't dissolve in alcohol/water but will in vegetable oil? Any idea on how quickly it dissolves?
 
thedash said:
Resin looks like it could fit the bill. It seems like you might be able to mold resin into a fairly flexible but solid material (i'm not sure this is the case because it doesn't explicitly say it on Wiki, but i assume you can). It also seems to be insoluble in water but mostly soluble in alcohol. Any idea on how long it takes to dissolve resin in alcohol - is it fairly quick?
No idea.
But it certainly would not be like salt dissolving in water if that is the quickness you desire.
 
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256bits said:
No idea.
But it certainly would not be like salt dissolving in water if that is the quickness you desire.
Thanks - yup I'm looking for a pretty fast dissolve. Probably less than 10 seconds. I'll note though that the substance will be a thin film, no more than 1/16th of an inch thick, though.
 

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