Cross Section for Asteroid Impact

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This discussion revolves around estimating the cross section for an earth-asteroid collision, focusing on the gravitational interactions between the Earth and an asteroid. Participants are exploring the relationships between various physical quantities, including the escape velocity and the effective target area for collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the significance of the maximum impact parameter (bmax) and its relation to the collision cross section (S). There are attempts to express the escape velocity in terms of the parameters given and to derive a simplified expression for S. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of equations and the implications of certain substitutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made in the calculations and exploring how to correctly substitute values into the equations. There is recognition of errors in previous attempts, and a collaborative effort to clarify the relationships between the variables is evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific requirements on the form of the final expression for the collision cross section. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the final result does not depend on certain variables, such as the mass of the asteroid or the Earth.

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In this problem, you will estimate the cross section for an earth-asteroid collision. In all that follows, assume that the Earth is fixed in space and that the radius of the asteroid is much less than the radius R of the earth. The mass of the Earth is M_e, and the mass of the asteroid is m. Use G for the universal gravitational constant.
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I've already solved:
E_initial = (m/2)v2)
L_initial = bmv
E_at surface of Earth = ((v_f)2*m)/2 +(GmMe)/R
L_at surface of Earth = (mvfR
bmax2 = R2+(2RGMe)/v2

Where I get confused is the actual significance of bmax:

The collision cross section S represents the effective target area "seen" by the asteroid and is found by multiplying (bmax)2 by π. If the asteroid comes into this area, it is guaranteed to collide with the earth.
A simple representation of the cross section is obtained when we write v in terms of ve, the escape speed from the surface of the earth. First, find an expression for ve, and let v=Cve, where C is a constant of proportionality. Then combine this with your result for (bmax)2 to write a simple-looking expression for S in terms of R and C.

Express the collision cross section in terms of R and C.

I know that a version of ve is sqrt(2GM/R), but I have no idea how to go on from here.
 
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Did you take your expression for ve and form v = Cve? What did that do for your bmax2 equation? Show your work.
 
Ok. We say that v=Cve
So bmax2 = R2 + (2RGMe)/Cve2

ebjessee said:
The collision cross section S represents the effective target area "seen" by the asteroid and is found by multiplying (bmax)2 by π

Then π bmax2 = π R2 + 2π RGMe/Cve2

Distributing pi to both sides of the equations helps me see that I'm now looking at circular area equations, so that helps to but bmax into perspective. I plugged in ve = sqrt(2Gm/R) which helped me reduce the previous equation to:

S = π R2 +π R2Me/Cm

That didn't work. I got a message the answer did not depend on m or Me.
 
Nevermind- just forgot to square C and use the same Me. Thanks!
 
You want to replace ##v_e^2## in your ##b_{max}^2## equation with your expression for escape velocity right away and cancel out what can be cancelled. I don't know how m snuck into your equations...
 

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