Nuclear reactions, cross section, reaction rate

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the reaction cross section for a nuclear reaction involving a beam of titanium nuclei interacting with a lead target. The problem includes details about beam intensity, target thickness, and detection efficiency, and it requires understanding the relationship between reaction rate, target particle number, and cross section.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the reaction cross section, questioning whether to consider the total cross section or the cross section per atom. There are attempts to derive the number of target particles from the given mass and area, and to relate the reaction rate to the detected nuclei.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the use of a unit area for calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of different area choices on the calculated cross section, with no explicit consensus reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding units in the context of cross section calculations, particularly the distinction between total and macroscopic cross sections. There is also mention of the efficiency of detection and its impact on the interpretation of results.

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Homework Statement


A beam of ##^{50}##Ti nuclei impinged on a ##0.5 mg/cm^2## thick ##^{208}##Pb target in an experiment lasting 176 hours. During that time a total of ##3260 \; ^{257}##Rf nuclei were detected. The beam intensity was throughout the experiment constant at ##6.6\mu A##. Each ##^{50}##Ti beam ion carried a charge of ##q=+15##. The efficiency for detecting ##^{257}##Rf was ##3\%##. Calculate the reaction cross section.

Homework Equations


Reaction rate
##R=N_0\sigma I##
where ##N_0## is the number of target particles ##\sigma## the cross section and ##I## the current of incoming particles (I assume).

The Attempt at a Solution


As I understand it ##3\%## of the true number of ##^{257}##Rf were detected so we don't have to worry about any decay.

Secondly I assume the cross section I should calculate is actually the cross section of the entire target i.e. ##\sigma_{tot} = N_0 \sigma## so the thickness doesn't matter. I don't see how I could calculate anything otherwise since I don't know how big the total sample is.In that case the number of ##^{50}##Ti hitting the target in one second is
##N_{Ti} = \frac{6.6 \mu A}{15e} = \frac{6.6 \cdot 10^{-6}}{15 \cdot 1.6 \cdot 10^{-19}} = 2.75\cdot 10^{12}.##

And the number of ##^{257}##Rf created in one second is
##N_{Rf} = \frac{3260}{0.03\cdot 176\cdot 3600} = 0.17##
this is then also the reaction rate.

Then ##\sigma_{tot} = \frac{R}{I} = \frac{N_{Rf}}{N_{Ti}} = 6.24\cdot 10^{-14}##.

Now I have no idea if what I did was correct or what I should be doing. There's also a question about units, my cross sections seems to be unit less but shouldn't the unit of a cross section be barn i.e. an area unit? Or in the case of the macroscopic cross section ##m^{-1}##.

Perhaps what I should calculate is the macroscopic cross section but again I don't see how since I don't know the size of the sample.
 
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Incand said:

Homework Statement


A beam of ##^{50}##Ti nuclei impinged on a ##0.5 mg/cm^2## thick ##^{208}##Pb target in an experiment lasting 176 hours. During that time a total of ##3260 \; ^{257}##Rf nuclei were detected. The beam intensity was throughout the experiment constant at ##6.6\mu A##. Each ##^{50}##Ti beam ion carried a charge of ##q=+15##. The efficiency for detecting ##^{257}##Rf was ##3\%##. Calculate the reaction cross section.

Homework Equations


Reaction rate
##R=N_0\sigma I##
where ##N_0## is the number of target particles ##\sigma## the cross section and ##I## the current of incoming particles (I assume).

The Attempt at a Solution


As I understand it ##3\%## of the true number of ##^{257}##Rf were detected so we don't have to worry about any decay.

Secondly I assume the cross section I should calculate is actually the cross section of the entire target i.e. ##\sigma_{tot} = N_0 \sigma## so the thickness doesn't matter. I don't see how I could calculate anything otherwise since I don't know how big the total sample is.In that case the number of ##^{50}##Ti hitting the target in one second is
##N_{Ti} = \frac{6.6 \mu A}{15e} = \frac{6.6 \cdot 10^{-6}}{15 \cdot 1.6 \cdot 10^{-19}} = 2.75\cdot 10^{12}.##

And the number of ##^{257}##Rf created in one second is
##N_{Rf} = \frac{3260}{0.03\cdot 176\cdot 3600} = 0.17##
this is then also the reaction rate.

Then ##\sigma_{tot} = \frac{R}{I} = \frac{N_{Rf}}{N_{Ti}} = 6.24\cdot 10^{-14}##.

Now I have no idea if what I did was correct or what I should be doing. There's also a question about units, my cross sections seems to be unit less but shouldn't the unit of a cross section be barn i.e. an area unit? Or in the case of the macroscopic cross section ##m^{-1}##.

Perhaps what I should calculate is the macroscopic cross section but again I don't see how since I don't know the size of the sample.
1) The reaction cross section is not the total but per atom. A cross section is an area and is given in units such as ##cm^2## or barns (##1b=10^{-24}\mathrm{cm}^2##)
2) You are given that you have ##0.5\mathrm{mg}/\mathrm{cm}^2## for the target. Consider now an area of ##1\mathrm{cm}^2##. How many target lead atoms do you have? This will be your ##N_0##.

I hope this helps.
 
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Okey so in the area ##A=1cm^{2}## we have
##N_0/A = \frac{0.5mg}{208u} = 1.45\cdot 10^{18}cm^{-2}##.

Now surely ##N_{Rf}## must be the reaction rate and ##I=N_{Ti}## (everything in one second)
##\sigma = \frac{R}{N_0 I} = \frac{N_{Rf}}{N_0/A N_{Ti}}=4.26\cdot 10^{-32}cm^{2} = 42.6 nb##

But what If I picked an area of ##5cm##? Wouldn't I get a different number then? I know that the width of the beam really shouldn't matter but I don't seem to have any term where the areas cancel?
 
Incand said:
Okey so in the area ##A=1cm^{2}## we have
##N_0/A = \frac{0.5mg}{208u} = 1.45\cdot 10^{18}cm^{-2}##.

Now surely ##N_{Rf}## must be the reaction rate and ##I=N_{Ti}## (everything in one second)
##\sigma = \frac{R}{N_0 I} = \frac{N_{Rf}}{N_0/A N_{Ti}}=4.26\cdot 10^{-32}cm^{2} = 42.6 nb##

But what If I picked an area of ##5cm##? Wouldn't I get a different number then? I know that the width of the beam really shouldn't matter but I don't seem to have any term where the areas cancel?

No, it will not. Sorry, if I was a bit unclear in my last post. A useful tool in this respect is dimensional analysis. Let [##X##] be the unit of the quantity ##X##. Let's now apply this to the equation for the reaction rate:

$$[R]=[N_0] [\sigma] [I_{}]$$,
and with ##[R]=[s^{-1}]##, ##[\sigma]=[\mathrm{cm}^2]## and ##[I_{}]=[s^{-1}]##, we get that ##N_0## must have the unit ##\mathrm{cm}^{-2}##. It is therefore convenient to consider a unit area of 1 cm##^{2}##.
 
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Thanks, now I believe I understand the formula!
 

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