"Crow Flies Distance" On a Rectangular Grid -- Definition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of "Crow Flies Distance" on a rectangular grid, exploring its meaning and implications in both informal and mathematical contexts. Participants examine the concept's application in determining straight-line distances versus practical travel distances.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that "Crow Flies Distance" can be defined as the standard Euclidean distance given by the formula ## d((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = \sqrt {( (x_1-x_2)^2+(y_1-y_2)^2}) ##.
  • Another participant agrees with this interpretation, suggesting that it represents a direct straight-line path between two points.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the need for a precise definition of an informal term, emphasizing that "as the crow flies" typically indicates a distance that is shorter than the actual travel distance.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about encountering the term while discussing distances within the U.S. mainland, indicating a lack of familiarity with the expression.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment that real crows may not follow a straight path, suggesting that the saying could be updated to reflect modern technology, such as drones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the necessity of a precise definition for "Crow Flies Distance," with some advocating for a mathematical interpretation while others question the formality of the term.

Contextual Notes

There are varying interpretations of the term's usage, with some participants focusing on its mathematical implications and others emphasizing its informal nature. The discussion reflects differing levels of familiarity with the expression and its practical applications.

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Hi all,
I am looking for a precise definition of " Crow Flies Distance" on a rectangular grid. I have not found a precise definition yet, but from what I have read, I think it would be the standard Euclidean distance ## d((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = \sqrt {( (x_1-x_2)^2+(y_1-y_2)^2}) ## Is this correct?
Thanks.
 
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This seems correct to me. My understanding of "as the crow flies" is a direct straight-line path from one point to another, in which case the distance would be given by the expression you have written.
 
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Excellent, LunaFly, thanks.
 
WWGD said:
Hi all,
I am looking for a precise definition of " Crow Flies Distance" on a rectangular grid.
I am confused as to why you are looking for a "precise definition" of a very informal term. "As the crow flies" is an expression invoked when someone wants to point out that the straight line distance from one location to another is much shorter than the road or path a person is required to take. The person never knows or gives the exact "as the crow flies" distance. Example: "From here to Fitzwilliam, it's 7 miles by the Old Mill Bridge road. As the crow flies, though, probably 2 miles. Gotta go out of your way to get to the bridge over the Old Mill River." That sort of thing.

Are you having a debate with someone about this term or something?
 
zoobyshoe said:
I am confused as to why you are looking for a "precise definition" of a very informal term. "As the crow flies" is an expression invoked when someone wants to point out that the straight line distance from one location to another is much shorter than the road or path a person is required to take. The person never knows or gives the exact "as the crow flies" distance. Example: "From here to Fitzwilliam, it's 7 miles by the Old Mill Bridge road. As the crow flies, though, probably 2 miles. Gotta go out of your way to get to the bridge over the Old Mill River." That sort of thing.

Are you having a debate with someone about this term or something?
No, I had never heard the expression before and was curious after reading about it. EDIT Actually, I was talking with someone about points farthest apart within the U.S mainland and the term came up. I looked it up but could not find any precise definition, at least not one I could get right away..
 
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No, I had never heard the expression before and was curious after reading about it.
OK. Generally it's just an expression brought into play when a practical route is much longer than it would be if you could get to the destination in a straight line.

Regardless, you can avoid using the expression altogether when someone asks you for directions by taking this approach:

 
Of course, we're talking about idealized crows here. Real crows are probably likely to deviate from a straight-line path if they see some food along the way. :cool:
 
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jtbell said:
Of course, we're talking about idealized crows here. Real crows are probably likely to deviate from a straight-line path if they see some food along the way. :cool:
Might be better if we update the saying to, "as the drone flies," and then actually use drones to collect the data associated with a given route.
 
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