Curious about my grad school prospects

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The discussion revolves around a student's concerns regarding their qualifications and prospects for admission into graduate programs in physics and astronomy. The student seeks insights on their academic standing, application strategy, and the impact of their GPA and lack of GRE scores on their chances of acceptance into various programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student has a cumulative GPA of 3.2, which they express concerns about, particularly due to a D in a lab course and several C's in general education classes.
  • The student has taken core physics courses and upper-level astronomy courses, with a strong interest in computational aspects of physics and astronomy.
  • Some participants inquire about the student's performance on the Physics Graduate Record Examination (PGRE) to assess its potential impact on their application.
  • The student did not take the PGRE, citing that many programs do not require it and that it may not significantly influence admissions decisions.
  • One participant argues that a solid PGRE score could have been beneficial, but emphasizes that the student's GPA is a significant concern in the competitive landscape of graduate admissions.
  • The same participant expresses skepticism about the student's chances given their GPA and lack of a PGRE score, suggesting that admissions committees may favor candidates with higher GPAs and no excuses.
  • The participant questions what makes the student a strong candidate and suggests that without a PGRE, the application package may not be compelling enough.
  • The student expresses uncertainty about which schools are "safe picks" and seeks advice on how to formulate their application materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the student's GPA and the absence of a PGRE score. While some emphasize the competitive nature of admissions and the potential negative impact of these factors, others focus on the student's strengths and experiences, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the student's prospects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the student's academic record, including the impact of specific grades and the absence of standardized test scores, but does not resolve how these factors will ultimately affect their admission chances.

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I'm currently in the process of applying to grad schools and I'm having second thoughts (and honestly even second guessing) on my odds of admission and opportunities in grad school.

I'm a senior at a liberal arts college. Physics-Astronomy combined major and a Math minor. I'm an international student on an F-1 visa, so any PhD program will have to sponsor my visa too. My cumulative GPA sits at 3.2 because of one bad physics grade and a couple of C's in general distribution required courses (humanities and social sciences). My bad grade in physics is a D in an Analog & Digital Instrumentation Lab course and it was mainly because of a bad personal experience that semester.

Otherwise my grades are mostly B's to low A's in physics, astro and math. I've taken most of the core physics courses required for grad school (QM is left to take in spring 2024), and a few upper-level courses in astro including Cosmology, Stellar Astrophysics and Senior Research.

To be very very honest I don't know where my specific academic interests lie, but I really enjoy the computational aspect of physics/astro. I have one summer of research experience in Biophysics where I was mainly building a computational model using Python and COMSOL, so I can probably use that to demonstrate my interest in data & computation in astrophysics.

I already have three well-respected professors and researchers willing to write me recommendation letters, including my summer research professor. Throughout my undergrad I worked as a physics lab TA and a tutor for physics and math. I have very good experience in Python and Mathematica and can swiftly pick up on most programming languages. My current list of programs are (east coast is a preference because time-difference with home across the globe is minimum):

University of Massachusetts Amherst, Astronomy
Michigan State University, Astrophysics
Dartmouth, physics & astronomy
University of Maryland, astronomy
University of Michigan, astronomy
Rutgers University, physics & astronomy
UC Santa Cruz, astrophysics
University of Connecticut, physics
Yale University, astronomy

I don't really have a strong preference between pursuing a PhD in physics or astronomy in the cases that I have to choose one or the other. If some of the schools have better physics programs than astronomy or vice versa, I would also love that info. Both fields are often overlapping and due to my broad interests, I'm yet to define exactly what I want to focus on. I definitely love learning and am deeply interested in astronomy and physics and data science, and would love to keep learning more and pursue a PhD.

I love teaching and really enjoy helping others, so I'm really looking forward to the assistantship during grad school. However, I don't really know which schools are, if any, a safe pick for me out of this list. I know that Dartmouth and Yale are really far reaches, but I managed to get their application fees waived so it's worth a shot.

I'm mostly curious about where I stand in terms of qualifications and readiness to pursue a PhD in either physics or astronomy or both, specifically for the programs listed. I would love some insights from current PhD students or experts in the field. Criticism is very welcomed as I'm trying to figure out how I to formulate my statement of purpose and academic statement for each program. Happy to provide more info if needed. Thanks! :)
 
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What did you get on the PGRE?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
What did you get on the PGRE?
I didn't take the GRE/PGRE because most programs either don't require it or don't accept it anymore. The programs on my list indicate that the GRE/PGRE, if submitted, do not contribute to the admission favors of the applicant. Would a solid PGRE score help me even for the schools on my list?
 
feso said:
Would a solid PGRE score help me even for the schools on my list?
It would have. But with most deadlines between 2 days and 2 weeks away, there is nothing you can do about it.

A 3.2 is poor. A 3.2 with excuses is only marginally less poor. Grad school is competitive, and the schools will admit someone with a 3.8 and no excuses over a 3.2 with excuses almost every single time. You had the opportunity to demonstrate that despite the 3.2 you know some physics. You didn't take it. Admissions committees will conclude that the reason you didn't take it is either you weren't serious, you knew you wouldn't do well, or both.

Remember, anything below a 3.0 is failing in grad school. You are a mere 0.2 points above that, with C's and D's, which will be interpreted as F's.

Your list has some of the best schools in the country on it. Michigan. Santa Cruz, Maryland. Even the weakest schools on your list (UConn and Dartmouth - yes, Dartmnouth) are quite good. What makes you think you are among the strongest candidates? And, more relevantly, what is in your application package that makes it clear why you are among the strongest candidates?

I would normally say "Broaden your target list of schools", but without a PGRE to show that you learned something despite your GPA, your package is not strong. Luck will matter, which means you need to send out lots of applications (really, it's too late to sensibly prune) and you don't want to spend that money.
 

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