Curl of a Gradient: Calculating in (x,y) Plane

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of the curl of a gradient in the context of a scalar function defined in the (x,y) plane, specifically addressing the implications of Clairaut's theorem on mixed partial derivatives.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the curl of the gradient of a function and questions the validity of their result. Some participants clarify that the curl of the gradient of a smooth scalar field is always zero, referencing properties of partial derivatives.

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The discussion is exploring the implications of the mathematical properties involved, particularly Clairaut's theorem. Participants are sharing insights and clarifications regarding the nature of the curl of a gradient and the conditions under which certain derivatives are equal.

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There is an underlying assumption about the continuity of the function and its derivatives, which is relevant to the application of Clairaut's theorem. The original poster's confusion suggests a need for deeper exploration of these concepts.

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Let ##v(x,y)## be function of (x,y) and not z.
[tex]\nabla v=\hat x \frac{\partial v}{\partial x}+\hat y \frac{\partial v}{\partial y}[/tex]
[tex]\nabla \times \nabla v=\left|\begin{array} \;\hat x & \hat y & \hat z \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial}{\partial y} & \frac{\partial}{\partial z}\\ \frac{\partial v}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial v}{\partial y} & 0 \end{array}\right|=\hat x\left(-\frac{\partial^2 v}{\partial y\partial z}\right)-\hat y\left(-\frac{\partial^2 v}{\partial x\partial z}\right) +\hat z\left(\frac{\partial^2 v}{\partial y\partial x}-\frac{\partial^2 v}{\partial x\partial y} \right) =0[/tex]

What did I do wrong?
 
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What makes you think that's wrong? The curl of the gradient of a smooth scalar field ##f:\mathbb{R}^{3}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## always vanishes: ##(\nabla \times \nabla f)^{i} = \epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}\partial_{k}f = 0##.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
What makes you think that's wrong? The curl of the gradient of a smooth scalar field ##f:\mathbb{R}^{3}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## always vanishes: ##(\nabla \times \nabla f)^{i} = \epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}\partial_{k}f = 0##.

I did not know that!

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What is going on here is the use of Clairaut's theorem, which says that with enough continuity the mixed partial derivatives in any order give the same value. That's why, for example, ##v_{xy} = v_{yx}##.
 

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