Curl of the transpose of a gradient of a vector: demonstration of an identity

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The discussion focuses on demonstrating an identity involving the curl of the transpose of a gradient of a vector using indicial notation. The original poster seeks clarification on their understanding of tensors and expresses confusion regarding the definitions of the gradient and curl of a vector. Participants highlight the importance of defining the gradient of a vector accurately and note discrepancies in the definitions of the curl of a tensor. The poster acknowledges the complexity of the topic and requests further guidance and suggestions for additional resources. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the challenges of mastering tensor calculus in continuum mechanics.
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I would like to demonstrate an identity with the INDICIAL NOTATION. I have attached my attempt. Please let me know where I made mistakes. Any suggestion? I am trying to understand tensors all by myself because they are the keys in continuum mechanics
Thanks
 

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What sort of vector product are you using here \hat{e}_i \hat{e}_j?
 
tensor product
 
Is this question so difficult? Please help me: I am trying to learn tensors and I would like to know what my mistake is. Thanks!
 
Any suggestion?
 
Can anyone suggest a forum to post my question? Thanks
 
anything? please help!
 
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Is my question too difficult? Please advise.
 
  • #10
I don't really understand what is meant by
\nabla(\nabla\times\mathbf{u})
and
\nabla \mathbf{u}.

For example, if \mathbf{u}=u_j\hat{e}_j, then \nabla \mathbf{u}=(\partial_i\hat{e}_i)(u_j\hat{e}_j)=\partial_iu_j\hat{e}_i\hat{e}_j.

But what is \hat{e}_i\hat{e}_j; the inner product between the unit basis vectors? Then the result would be a scalar instead of a vector.
 
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Any other input?
 
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?
 
  • #14
You should at least explain how you define \nabla u when u is a vector.
 
  • #15
The problem is at the very bottom line in the definition of a curl of a tensor. I found 2 definitions which contradict to each other. Mine is one of them. I will email the authors.
 
  • #16
I asked an expert. The question was not trivial. After a while I found out that there are different definitions of curl of a tensor.
 

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