Curling stone coming to rest - friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a curling stone coming to rest due to friction. The original poster presents a scenario with initial speed and friction coefficient, asking for the distance the stone travels before stopping.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass, friction, and distance traveled. There are discussions about the necessary equations and the role of mass in determining the outcome. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the effects of mass on the stopping distance.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different interpretations and equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of friction and acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final answer.

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There is mention of constraints related to the mass of the curling stone and its impact on the calculations. The original poster also expresses uncertainty about the necessity of mass for solving the problem.

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This is just a revision question for an exam i have in a couple weeks.

I think i kow the answer but just want to double check.

a curling stone is released with an instial speed of 3.1 m/s
the coefficient of sliding friction between the stone and ice is 0.017
What is the distance the stone will come to rest?
A 14m B 19m C 29m D 58m E Impossible to tell without mass



I believe it to be E

IF i did have the mass what equation would i need?
\mu_{}slide * mg ??


Many thanks
 
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you sure ? If a ton of steel is on a ice and I push it to give it a momentum, will it stop at the same place than a curling stone of 10kg ?

Think about it.
 


btw it was a joke. You had it almost right :P

coefficient of dynamics friction * Force which equals Mass times Acceleration.
 


ok re-looked at it and have decided on D 58m as D=V2/the coefficient of sliding friction * gravity (9.8 m/s)

That look correct?
 


How can you tell the acceleration ? (which is negative) you conclude it is the gravity ?
 


well the equation i have is D=V2/\muslide * g

I just put in my values of 3.1 m/s2/ 0.017*9.8 m/s

It gave me an answer of 57.6 which is the same as answer D 58m (2sf)
 


I already told you you were right.

It's just my way to teach. To make sure you understood and looked at your response again to be sure.
 


ha ha oh right, ok thanks
Do you know much about collisions in three dimensions between 2 objects? i.e (vbx,vby)?
:)
 


It's the same thing then between two objects in 2 dimensions. You just add another dimension.

You separate the forces in x, y, z instead of only x and y. That's it.
 
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sorry I've been an idiot, i meant in 2 dimensions.
ill tell you the question...

2 objects with masses A 0.60kg and B 0.45kg are traveling towards one another parallel and anti parallel at uAx 1.5m/s and uBx -2.0m/s
the velocity of A after collision is (0,12)m/s what is (vBx,vBy) of B after collision?

I just can't find in my text how to do it for (x,y)
 
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Hint: 3rd law of Newton.
 
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so if object A has an opposite but equal in magnitude force on object B when they collide then the force acting on B would be f=ma which would be 0.9N, if i rearrnged to find for v i get v=f/m which gives me 2m/s but as B is traveling at -2m/s it would reusult in 0m/s so B would come to a stand still and have (vBx,vBy) (0,0)m/s

is that sort of the way to go?
 
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You "can" do it that way. But the best way is to go with the 3rd law of Newton: the conservation of energy.

Or I may say, the momentum. m1 x v1 = m2 x v2
 
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yer i was going to ask if there was a better way of doing it. That makes sense :) Thanks
 

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