Curve fitting for Gravity/Conservation of Energy Lab

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The discussion revolves around a lab problem related to curve fitting in the context of gravity and conservation of energy, specifically focusing on significant figures and the calculation of standard deviation in experimental data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of having a standard deviation of zero and its acceptability in the context of consistent measurements. There are questions about the accuracy of height calculations and the methodology of releasing the glider at different points. Some participants also raise concerns about the significance of systematic errors related to the angle of release.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the implications of significant figures and the interpretation of statistical errors. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the calculations and their accuracy.

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Participants are considering the impact of systematic errors on their results and how these should be reported alongside statistical errors. There is a mention of homework constraints regarding significant figures and the expectations of the instructor.

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Homework Statement


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The problem has to do with sig figs going down to 1. I've checked them multiple times by hand and with sigfig calculators but it is all the same. With 1 sig fig my standard deviation ends up being 0 which I am not sure that is acceptable.
It makes sense as the points are super consistent for measuring G but when it comes to filling out the tables having 0 for most parts bothers me.

Homework Equations


V^2=g(2H)
Y=mx+b

The Attempt at a Solution


I have an excel document with all my data and calculations
 

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It seems that you calculated the h (or Δh) values incorrectly since you are using the same angle, θ or L2, for each run? Or did you keep the angle the same and released the glider at progressively lower points along the track?
 
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andrevdh said:
It seems that you calculated the h (or Δh) values incorrectly since you are using the same angle, θ or L2, for each run? Or did you keep the angle the same and released the glider at progressively lower points along the track?
We kept the angle the same and changed the release point for each set of runs
 
0 is not the same as an error in one significant figure.
One significant figure means you take the first nonzero digit, so your ##\sigma_g## is 0.06

(In case the first nonzero digit is a 1, we often take the first two digits - because the step from 1 to 2 is so big - and still speak of one significant digit. But it depends: with the relative error in the sigma approximately ##1/\sqrt N## and 5 observations you understand that ##\sigma## itself isn't very accurate at all)​

So as a result you have ##g = 9.56 \pm 0.06 ## m/s2 for the light glider - and have to say something reasonable about the intercept ##0.055 \pm 0.024## (here I show two digits -- the intercept is 2##\sigma## from zero, which may or may not give you a reason to fit y = m x instead of y = mx + b) .
 
I forgot something -- how accurate is your theta ? This is a systematic error (all h are affected the same way by a deviation from the actual theta), so it has to be folded into the error you calculated for g (in fact you have determined ##g/\sin\theta## and report ##g## -- a 1% error in ##\theta## already dominates the statistical error ! You could be very sophisticated and report ## g = 9.56 \pm 0.06\, (\text stat) \pm 0.1 \,(\text syst) ## m/s2 . But I wonder if teacher will appreciate it...
 

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