How Can Empty Space Be Curved?

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The discussion centers on the concept of curved space in the context of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. Participants clarify that while space may be perceived as empty, it possesses mathematical properties that allow it to exhibit curvature, particularly in the framework of Riemann Geometry. This curvature is not a physical bending of space itself but rather a manifestation of how objects travel along geodesics, appearing curved from a Euclidean perspective. The sun's mass serves as a prime example, demonstrating how massive objects can influence the curvature of space, affecting the path of light.

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Hello,
I just joined. I have no formal background in physics, just curiosity. So, my questions may well be simplistic to most of you. Hopefully, that is permissible, now and then! First question, if space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
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Hankb said:
Hello,
I just joined. I have no formal background in physics, just curiosity. So, my questions may well be simplistic to most of you. Hopefully, that is permissible, now and then! First question, if space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
Hankb
"space is curved" is a very poor (pop-science) way of describing what happens. I agree w/ you that space is just a dimension, not something that you (or anything) can bend, but space-time has mathematical properties that make things traveling in it ACT from the point of view of Euclidean Geometry, as though they are moving in a curve. In reality they are moving in a straight line (more properly a geodesic) but they are doing so in Riemann Geometry (which is the proper geometry to use in space-time) so that we humans, who instinctively think in Euclidean terms, see them as "curved".

It was this "bending" of light rays that completely confirmed Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

By the way, welcome to the forum.
 
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Hankb said:
If space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
"Curved" just means that it doesn't follow the rules of Euclidean geometry. So you could just as well ask, why empty space should follow those rules.
 
You could say that it is curving , just by knowing that a huge mass could make the space curve .
The most common example of the space curving is our sun , as we know that it has a huge mass , it curved the space , thus making it possible for us to so the light of the stars behind it . Even if we are seeing their light , they are not actually there ...
 
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