Cylindrical rotor generator power under loss of excitation

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The discussion centers on the power generation capabilities of cylindrical rotor turbo alternators under loss of excitation conditions. It is established that salient pole rotors can supply real power even with zero field current due to reluctance power development. In contrast, non-salient pole generators lack this capability, leading to the conclusion that they are not suitable for operation under loss of excitation conditions. The risks include high voltages that can damage the generator, and while shorting the field may allow some power generation, it is not a common practice for large generators.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of salient and non-salient pole rotor designs
  • Knowledge of turbo alternator operation and excitation systems
  • Familiarity with power generation principles under loss of excitation
  • Awareness of induction machine behavior and slip phenomena
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the operational limits of non-salient pole generators under various excitation conditions
  • Study the implications of high voltage induction in synchronous generators
  • Examine the use of amortisseur windings in induction machines
  • Explore case studies of synchronous motors started with shorted fields
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Electrical engineers, power system analysts, and professionals involved in generator design and operation will benefit from this discussion, particularly those focusing on excitation systems and generator performance under fault conditions.

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Hello all,

I want to know about turbo alternator real power producing capability under loss of excitation condition.

Normally in salient pole rotor have capability to supply real power under field current=0 condition, as there is reluctance power developed. But what about non salient pole generator? there is no saliency. So, there is not possibility to develop reluctance power. Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
 
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anorlunda said:
:welcome:

I found this cool video that should answer your questions.

https://www.slideshare.net/mmuralintpc/loss-of-excitation
Thank you for your reply. I have watched this presentation before. Look very carefully this presentation, here also described about "salient Pole Rotor" alternator. But I need the behavior of "None salient Pole rotor" during this situation.
 
Think of this figure from the video. It applies to both round rotor and salient pole synchronous generators.
There are many constraints on generator operation. Many of them are seen in this figure.
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niaz said:
Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
You'd certainly not want it connected to the grid with no field .
As it develops slip high voltages induced in the field will wreck something.
Shorting the field would allow some power generation as an induction machine with amortisseur windings and shorted field carrying rotor current. But i don't know of anyone who's done that with a generator of any size. Some synchronous motors are started that way, though.
 
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