D.E.Q. Find the equilibrium and general solutions

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The problem involves finding the equilibrium and general solutions for the differential equation dp/dt = 4P - 3P^2 - P^3, which is a cubic equation in the context of differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to find equilibrium solutions and expresses difficulty in integrating the left side of the equation after rewriting it in terms of partial fractions. Some participants suggest rewriting the cubic equation and splitting it into partial fractions. There is also a discussion about the coefficients in the partial fraction decomposition, with participants questioning the values of A, B, and C.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different approaches to the integration and discussing the correctness of the coefficients derived from the partial fraction decomposition. There is a lack of explicit consensus on the values of A, B, and C, indicating ongoing exploration of the mathematical reasoning involved.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the integration process and the correctness of the derived coefficients, which may affect the overall solution. The original poster expresses doubt about their progress, suggesting a need for clarification on the integration steps.

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Homework Statement


Find the equilibrium and general solutions


dp/dt = 4P - 3P^2 - P^3

The Attempt at a Solution



Equilibrium:
dp/dt = -P(P^2 - 3P - 4)
dp/dt = -P(P+4)(P-1)
Equilibrium solutions: P = 0, P = 1, P= -4

General solutions:

1/(4P-3P^2 - P^3) dp = 1dt

This is where I'm having trouble. The right side is easy enough to intergrat, but the left side I'm lost. What is the first step to intergrating that?
 
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You can rewrite the cubic as -P(P+4)(P-1). So split it into partial fractions.
 
How did I now see that, thanks...

1/-P(P+4)(P-1) = A/-P + B/(P+4) + C/(P-1)
1 = A(P+4)(P-1) - BP(P-1) - CP(P-4)
A little magic
1= (A-B-C)P^2 + (3A+B+4C)P - 4A
A = -1/4, A little more magic, B = -9/4, C = 1
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S(1/4P - 9/(4P+16) + 1/(P-1)) dp = t dt

(1/4)ln|4P| - (9/4)ln|4P+16| + ln|P-1| + C = t + C

-(8/4)ln |4P/(4P+16)| + ln|P-1| = t + C

-(8/4)ln |(4P/4P+16) * (p-1)| = t + C

ln |(4P^2 - 4P)/ (4P+16)| = -4t/8 + C

(4P^2 - 4P)/(4P+ 16) = Ce^(-4/8t)

This is were I'm stuck now, I think it is right up until here...

I did some stuff and got this:

P = (-64Ce^(-4/8t) - (16Ce^(-4/8t) * 4Ce^(-4/8t)) / (1 - 64Ce^(-4/8t)

But I can't help to think it's wrong, or at least there is a easier way...
 
Your value for A should work out as 1/4.
 
Wouldn't A = -1/4 ?

1/-P(P+4)(P-1) = A/-P + B/(P+4) + C/(P-1)

1 = A(P+4)(P-1) - BP(P-1) - CP(P-4)

1 = A(P^2 +3P -4) - BP^2 + BP - CP^2 + 4CP


1 = AP^2 + A3P -A4 - BP^2 + BP - CP^2 + 4CP

1= (A-B-C)P^2 + (3A+B+4C)P - 4A

1= (A-B-C)P^2 and 1= (3A+B+4C)P and 1= -4A

1= -4A ----> A = 1/-4??
 

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