D-Wave - first commercial quantum computer

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The discussion revolves around the claims made by D-Wave regarding their commercial quantum computer, which utilizes a 128-qubit chipset. Participants explore the nature of this technology, questioning its authenticity as a quantum computer and examining the implications of its commercial use, particularly in relation to Lockheed Martin.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about D-Wave's claims, suggesting that the technology may not represent a traditional quantum computer and questioning the validity of the qubits being marketed.
  • Others argue that D-Wave's system does exhibit quantum properties, citing tunneling between states as evidence of its quantum nature, though they acknowledge that this does not necessarily confirm it as a full quantum computer.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of transparency and reproducibility in D-Wave's technology, with some participants noting that the device appears to function as a 'black box' for its users.
  • There is a discussion about the financial aspects of D-Wave's sales to Lockheed Martin, with some participants suggesting that the price may not be significant in the context of Lockheed Martin's overall budget.
  • Several participants seek clarification on what specifically qualifies D-Wave's computers as "quantum," indicating a desire for a more accessible explanation of the technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether D-Wave's technology is genuinely quantum or if it is misleadingly marketed. There are competing views regarding the nature of the qubits and the operational principles of the device.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of quantum computing and the specific mechanisms by which D-Wave's chips operate. Some participants express uncertainty about the technical details and the implications of the claims made by D-Wave.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the field of quantum computing, those evaluating commercial quantum technologies, and anyone curious about the ongoing debates surrounding the validity of D-Wave's claims.

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D-Wave has claimed that they offer a commercial quantum computer, using a 128-qubit chipset. What exactly is going on here?
I'm sure that this is not the traditional quantum computer, since the record of http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-quantum-bits-physicists-limits.html" was reached only a couple months ago.

http://www.dwavesys.com/en/dw_homepage.html
 
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I live in Vancouver, and am naturally interested in this occasional 'story', which has been running on and off for a few years. One recent commenter after the article D-Wave cited in Nature said they used a product of D-waves, left a question about it, and got no reply from the company.

What they appear to be selling to Lockheed-Martin is a 'black-box' computing item that apparently gives the right outputs to L-M's inputs to L-M's satisfaction. If that's what L-M wants, that proves nothing about any purported Quantum mechanism to their contraption. They have published an interesting paper in Nature, but what real scientists would want is a reproducible description, or a device they can disassemble.

I called this company's early claims BS 3 years ago, and would like to be proven wrong. But I don't think I will.
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So is there anything "quantum" about their chips? Or did they take a regular chip and completely lie about it? Even though that it is likely they are misleading the public in implying the qubits are entangled and all, surely they can't be outright lying?
 
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Google Workshop on the D-Wave quantum computer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56qR0iX5A4o
 
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I doubt that they took a regular chip and lied about it. This article states that they took 16 8-qubit cells to form 128 qubit chipset.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-d-wave-commercial-quantum.html

They claimed they have built a 128 qubit chip set back in 2008, but it was yet to be verified. It is 2011 and they have sold it to Lockheed Martin. LM paid some serious money so they should get what they paid for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_quantum_computing

You understand how quantum-computing works, but you don't understand business. I remember reading about a Turkish rug-dealer who sold a carpet (a real carpet here, mind you) for a promissory note, to that famous author who wrote 'Airport', 'Wheels', etc. (can't remember the name, James something).

The dealer didn't care about the money. He put the signed promissory note on his wall and showed it off to future customers.

D-wave is showing off their sale to Lockheed-Martin, and that will leverage further sales, eventually at a profit. At least to the founders. I don't intend to join the share-holders however.

Smart.
 
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pascal12 said:
So is there anything "quantum" about their chips? Or did they take a regular chip and completely lie about it? Even though that it is likely they are misleading the public in implying the qubits are entangled and all, surely they can't be outright lying?

Yes, there is definitely something "quantum "about it. In their recent article in Nature they demonstrated tunnelling between states. This has been done in many other systems, but they were of course doing it using a subset of they QC chip which from an experimental point of view is very impressive (I'ver done similar experiments on smaller systems, doing it using a system as large as theirs is VERY tricky).
This in itself does not mean that it is a quantum computer, but it does mean that it uses some "quantum mechanical" properties of the system when it is operated.
 
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It is 2011 and they have sold it to Lockheed Martin. LM paid some serious money so they should get what they paid for.

The price of $10m in your link might sound like a lot of money (even though it is spread over a multi-year contract), but in the context of the total computing or R&D budget of a company like Lockheed Martin it's not a huge amount.

Compare it with Seymour Cray's definition of a supercomputer, back in 1980: whatever you can build for $20m. That would be about $55m in today's money.
 
Thanks for the replies... the Youtube video where he was explaining what the chip was supposed to do and all those mathematical functions really went over my head.
I think they mentioned that they built several of these in labs, but people would access it remotely - did I understand this right?
And I'm not sure how each of the "qubits" is supposed to actually be a qubit, since I think he said that it can only exist in two states.

Can someone clarify a little more what makes these computers "quantum"?
 
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Can someone clarify a little more about these "quantum" computers?
I'm not an expert in this area, and I only know the basic concepts of what quantum computers are. But I'm very curious, and it would be awesome if someone could explain in easier terms.
 
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I found this helpful when I wanted to know what Quantum Computers are. Check it out:

http://www.physicspost.com/articles.php?articleId=241
 
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Thanks, I already know at a basic level how quantum computers work. However, the D-Wave computers are clearly not quantum computers, although they are labeled as such, so I'm wondering exactly how the D-Wave computers work and what makes them "quantum".
 

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