russ_watters said:
Yes: you misquoted because you apparently misunderstood. So: do we agree now that the anti-white police movement exists? Caveat being that some of the anti-police movement does not hinge on them being white?
Ok, fair enough about not getting your point. I've always understood the slash to mean "and," and you explicitly said "and" in your second post, so I interpreted it the way you actually wrote it. As for an anti-white police "movement"? (And is it still sweeping the country? If so, there are about a million other movements sweeping the country.) Obviously white police have been targeted for murder, as in, it's something that literally just happened a few days ago. I don't lump that in with frustration at the police for (mainly white) police actions, so I guess it depends on what you consider to be anti-white police to call it a movement or not.
What are we talking about here? What is BLM about? Is it about "systemic corruption" or police unlawfully killing blacks? One is true (WRT Ferguson), the other false. I'll give you a hint: Ferguson was burned and the BLM movement arose before that report was released
It's about both...? Part of the reason that you think I'm not following your posts is because you introduce arbitrary choices like that, while sometimes seeming to say that systemic corruption is real and sometimes not. Wondering whether it's perception or reality casts doubts on it, as does admitting it exists but seemingly wanting to limit it to the one area of Ferguson. Maybe you've been separating systemic corruption and unlawful killings (which do happen) the whole time, and maybe your posts are more consistent under that separation. I really don't know at this point.
Also, whether the report came out before BLM or not isn't very relevant because there was plenty of data available before that that made the conclusion obvious for anyone who had been paying attention, let along for people actually living there. I don't think that even at the very beginning it was solely about one incident. And would the investigation ever have been done if BLM didn't gain traction? I doubt it.
Again: I've made no such claim. In fact, I listed ways to deal with the problem. You really need to read my posts better because you are not following them at all.
Ok, I went back and looked at the posts and can see how you weren't saying they were wrong. I thought you said that they believe there are systemic problems in a way that casts doubt on whether there are, but you were saying that they believe that as opposed to there only being a few bad apples, so at least we're clear on that.
It is a little disingenuous of you to pretend the urban black cultural problem is smaller than it is. There is a reason why blacks are vastly over-represented in prison and it isn't (primarily) because they are discriminated against: it is because they commit an over-representative fraction of crimes. But that's par for the course: people want to ignore that problem.
Well, "urban cultural problem" is pretty vague (they don't "deal with" police correctly?), and I don't see how you can claim to rank its importance as compared to police and justice system practices that destroy lives. You say that it's the larger of the two problems, but given things like the Ferguson report, I think that's just your opinion based on nothing. If you're talking about crime rates and educational attainment, I'm pretty sure that they're not ignored. You don't think that there are community leaders and churches and involved parents and motivated teenagers, etc., trying to better their communities? The issue is discussed openly as well. Michelle Alexander's book is probably the currently most famous criticism of the police and the justice system, and she talks candidly about it.
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