Dark fiber optic cables as Earthquake detectors

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The discussion centers around the use of dark fiber optic cables as earthquake detectors, exploring the potential advantages of this method over traditional seismology tools. Participants share insights on the technology, its applications, and related research, while also referencing various studies and trials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the concept of using dark fibers in buried cables for seismic detection, highlighting its promise and advantages over existing tools.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the familiarity with the technique, suggesting it is still in early development.
  • Another participant references existing fiber strain gauges and a trial involving sensing fibers used on a bridge, indicating prior applications of similar technology.
  • A participant shares a link to a paper discussing the intersection of quantum security and seismology, suggesting ongoing research in related fields.
  • One participant mentions an industry conference where fiber optics are being used to detect water leaks, drawing a parallel to the earthquake detection discussion.
  • Another participant notes that a dedicated fiber optic network is being established on Mount Etna for earthquake monitoring, indicating active experimentation in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of enthusiasm and skepticism regarding the use of dark fiber optics for earthquake detection. While some share positive insights and related applications, others question the maturity of the technology, indicating that multiple views remain present in the discussion.

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The discussion includes references to various studies and applications, but there are limitations regarding the depth of technical details and the current state of the technology. Some claims rely on specific contexts or definitions that are not fully explored in the conversation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in seismology, optical engineering, and technology applications in environmental monitoring.

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Hello,
Recently while familiarizing myself with the rodent menace affecting Fiber optic networks, I came across this rather novel use for the dark, or unused fibers in buried cables. The method apparently holds a lot of promise as well as significant advantages over many current Seismology tools. I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with this technique, maybe @davenn or another geologically inclined individual? Thanks, Scott

Paywall version.
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/ss...istributed-Acoustic-Sensing-Turns-Fiber-Optic

User friendly version.
https://www.seismosoc.org/news/seismologists-see-future-in-fiber-optic-cables-as-earthquake-sensors/

https://www.seismosoc.org/news/researchers-lay-out-case-for-das-in-earthquake-early-warning/

DAS works by using the tiny internal flaws of a long optical fiber as thousands of seismic sensors along tens of kilometers of fiber optic cable. An instrument at one end sends laser pulses down a cable and collects and measures the “echo” of each pulse as it is reflected off the internal fiber flaws.

When the fiber is disturbed by changes in temperature, strain or vibrations—caused by seismic waves, for instance—there are changes in the size, frequency and phase of laser light scattered back to the DAS instrument. Seismologists can use these changes to determine the kinds of seismic waves that might have nudged the fiber, even if just by a few tens of nanometers.
 
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Oldman too said:
I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with this technique,...
It is interesting, but I think it is too early to be familiar. It is still finding it's feet.
 
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Oldman too said:
Thanks for that link, I'll post fewer abstracts now. definitely a TIL moment.
I used the Unpaywall extension for Firefox to find an open copy.
 
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Baluncore said:
Unpaywall extension for Firefox
I'll be looking into that extension, it's new to me. Thanks for mentioning it!
(I see FF hit Version 100.0 today)
 
It's not the same use case, @Oldman too, but I was at an industry conference last week and some water utilities are using fibre optics cables to detect water leaks. Apparently, our largest Telco is involved in the trial, and it utilises existing infrastructure, they are not laying any new fibre runs.

I love these "Hey, what about...?" ideas where something completely off topic is derived from existing technology. And in terms of fibre optics for earthquakes, a dedicated network is being laid on Mount Etna, so it's not existing infrastructure, but it's terrific all the same: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29184-w 👍
 
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Melbourne Guy said:
a dedicated network is being laid on Mount Etna, so it's not existing infrastructure, but it's terrific all the same:
That looks like a perfect neighborhood to use as a test bed, shouldn't have to wait long for data. Thanks for the Nature link, I hadn't seen it before. Here is a link to the paper it was based on, should be very interesting to see results from that network.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29184-w.pdf
 
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