DE 2.1.1.16 Find the solution of the give initial value problem

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a first-order differential equation. Participants explore various methods for finding the solution, including the use of integrating factors and integration techniques. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the original equation and its components.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and attempts to apply an integrating factor, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant calculates the integrating factor and suggests checking the original differential equation for accuracy.
  • Multiple participants point out potential typos in the original equation, which may affect the integration process.
  • Some participants propose that the integrating factor is correct but emphasize the need for simplification before proceeding with integration.
  • There are conflicting interpretations of the initial value problem, with different participants presenting variations of the equation.
  • One participant suggests a specific form for the solution and calculates a constant based on the initial condition, while another questions the validity of the derived constant.
  • Another participant acknowledges an error in their previous calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct form of the original differential equation or the subsequent steps for solving it. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the original equation's accuracy, the integration steps, and the assumptions made about the integrating factor. Participants express differing opinions on the implications of these factors for finding the solution.

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Find the solution of the give initial value problem

$\displaystyle y^\prime - \frac{2}{t}y
=\frac{\cos{t}}{t^2};
\quad y{(\pi)}=0, \quad t>0$$u(t)=e^{2 \ln{t}}$then
$\displaystyle e^{2\ln{t}}\, y^\prime - \frac{2e^{e^{2\ln{t}}}}{t}y
= \frac{e^{2\ln{t}}\cos{t}}{t^2}$not sure actually!
 
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$e^{\int -\frac{2}{t} \, dt} = e^{-2\ln{t}} = \dfrac{1}{t^2}$

check the original DE statement again ...
 
skeeter said:
$e^{\int -\frac{2}{t} \, dt} = e^{-2\ln{t}} = \dfrac{1}{t^2}$

check the original DE statement again ...

thus...

$\displaystyle e^{-2\ln{t}}\, y^\prime - \frac{-2e^{e^{2\ln{t}}}}{t}y = \frac{e^{-2\ln{t}}\cos{t}}{t^2}$
 
that’s not what I meant ...

please double check the original DE from wherever you got it from, specifically the right side
 
skeeter said:
that’s not what I meant ...

please double check the original DE from wherever you got it from, specifically the right side
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karush said:
#16

First of all, please note you made a typo in your original DE, which is why Skeeter said your integrating factor is wrong.

With the correct equation as in your picture, your integrating factor is correct, but you will not be able to do the integration unless you simplify it. $\displaystyle \mathrm{e}^{2\ln{(t)}} = \mathrm{e}^{\ln{\left( t^2 \right) }} = t^2 $. Then the integration will be doable...
 
Find the solution of the give initial value problem

$\displaystyle y^\prime + \frac{2}{t}y
=\frac{\cos{t}}{t^2};
\quad y{(\pi)}=0, \quad t\ge 0$

$u(t)=e^{\displaystyle\ln{t^2}}$

then
$\displaystyle e^{\ln{t^2}}\, y^\prime +\frac{e^{\ln{t^2}}}{t}y
= \frac{e^{\ln{t^2}}\cos{t}}{t^2}$

$\displaystyle(y'\cdot e^{\ln{t^2}})'=\frac{e^{\ln{t^2}}\cos{t}}{t^2}=\cos{ t}$

proceed ?
 
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$y’ + \dfrac{2}{t} \cdot y = \dfrac{\cos{t}}{t^2}$

multiply evert term by the integrating factor, $e^{\int 2/t \, dt} = e^{2\ln{t}} = t^2$ ...

$y’t^2 + 2ty = \cos{t}$

$(yt^2)’ = \cos{t}$

now proceed
 
skeeter said:
$y’ + \dfrac{2}{t} \cdot y = \dfrac{\cos{t}}{t^2}$

multiply evert term by the integrating factor, $e^{\int 2/t \, dt} = e^{2\ln{t}} = t^2$ ...

$y’t^2 + 2ty = \cos{t}$

$(yt^2)’ = \cos{t}$

now proceed
$y(t)=\dfrac{\sin{t}}{t^2}+\frac{c}{t^2}$
So if $y(\pi)=0$ then
$y(\pi)=\dfrac{\sin{\pi}}{\pi^2}+\dfrac{c}{\pi^2}=0 $
$c=-1$

Really??
 
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$\displaystyle yt^2 = \int \cos{t} \, dt$

$yt^2 = \sin{t} + C$

$y = \dfrac{\sin{t}}{t^2} + \dfrac{C}{t^2}$

$y(\pi) = 0 \implies 0 = \dfrac{\sin(\pi)}{\pi^2} + \dfrac{C}{\pi^2} \implies C = 0$

$y = \dfrac{\sin{t}}{t^2}$
 
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Ok saw my error
 

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