De Broglie Wavelength at Relativistic velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle with charge and mass being accelerated to relativistic speeds, with a focus on deriving its de Broglie wavelength using energy conservation principles and relativistic momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate kinetic energy expression for relativistic speeds and question the assumptions made in the original poster's attempt. There is exploration of the relationship between energy, momentum, and the de Broglie wavelength.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the correct expressions for momentum and energy, suggesting that the original approach may have overlooked relativistic factors. There is ongoing clarification regarding the transition from non-relativistic to relativistic equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from using non-relativistic kinetic energy equations in a relativistic context. There is also mention of external resources that may have contributed to misunderstandings.

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Homework Statement


A particle has charge e and masse m0. It is accelerated by a charge V to a relativistic velocity. Show that its de Broglie wavelength is:
\lambda = \frac{h}{\sqrt{2m_0eV}} (1+\frac{eV}{2m_0c^2})^{-\frac{1}{2}}

Homework Equations


\lambda = \frac{h}{p}
Conservation of energy can be used. Our potential energy is:
PE = eV
Kinetic energy is:
KE = \frac{1}{2}m_0v^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using:
eV = \frac{1}{2}m_0v^2
That gave me:
\sqrt{\frac{2eV}{m_0}} = v

This matches what is in the denominator below Planck's constant (when multiplied with m0). However, the expression in the parenthesis is what doesn't make sense to me. My answer is:

\lambda = \frac{h}{\sqrt{2m_0eV}} (1-\frac{2eV}{m_0c^2})^{\frac{1}{2}}
Why is this wrong?
 
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Avatrin said:
Kinetic energy is:
KE=12m0v2​
KE = \frac{1}{2}m_0v^2
is only correct for NON-relativistic speeds ...
 
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Here you find the right expression for p to use. It works. I think the difference is a factor gamma somewhere. I can't make out how you go from your expression for v to your last answer for ##\lambda##.
 
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I found a way that gave me the correct solution. However, I do not understand it.

eV = \sqrt{p^2c^2 + m_0^2c^4} - m_0c^2
This gave me the correct answer for p:
p = ((\frac{eV}{c})^2 + 2em_0V)^{\frac{1}{2}} = \sqrt{2m_0eV}\sqrt{1 + \frac{eV}{2m_0c^2}}

However, since the particle is at rest at first, why shouldn't the left hand side of the expression above be eV + m0c2?
 
?? where do you think the "- mc2" on the right-hand side came from?
 
There was a Show button on the page where the link in post #2 pointed. Sorry I didn't point that out (or gave that as a link directly)
 

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