De Broglie Waves: Understanding the Relationship Between Displacement and Time

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The discussion centers on the mathematical representation of de Broglie waves, specifically how to express the displacement of a wave as a function of both position (x) and time (t). The equation y=Acos(2πft) is transformed into y=Acos(2π(ft - fx/w)) to reflect the wave's propagation in the +x direction at speed w. This transformation allows for the calculation of displacement at any point on the string at any given time, based on the initial conditions at x=0. The equivalency of the two forms is clarified through the understanding that the wave's behavior at any point can be derived from its behavior at the origin, adjusted for time delay due to wave speed.

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When introducing de Broglie waves, the author of my modern physics book first makes the analogy of a wave propagating on a string. Naturally the displacement at any time is given by y=Acos2[itex]\pi[/itex]ft, where A is amplitude of the vibrations and f is the frequency. Then he argues that a more complete description should tell us what y is at any point on the string at any time, inferring that what is needed is a function in both x and t. He uses the example of shaking the string at x=0 when t=0, so the wave is propagating in the +x direction. The distance traveled in a time t is x=wt, where w is the speed of the wave; making the time interval between the formation of the wave at x=0 and its arrival at the point x to be x/w.

The next part I found confusing. He says "Accordingly the displacement y of the string at x at any time t is exactly the same as the value of y at x=0 at the earlier time t-x/w. By simply replacing t in the equation y=Acos2[itex]\pi[/itex]ft with t-x/w, then, we have the desired formula [ie. y=Acos2[itex]\pi[/itex]f(t-[itex]\frac{x}{w})[/itex]=Acos2[itex]\pi[/itex](ft-[itex]\frac{fx}{w}[/itex])] giving y in terms of both x and t." I understand the relevance of getting the equation into the desirable form of containing both x and t, but I don't understand its equivalency; other than y reducing to the original form y=Acos2[itex]\pi[/itex]ft when x=0.
 
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The wave is propagating in the +x direction with speed w, so if you know y0(t) at x = 0, then you can calculate y(x,t) as y0(t - x/w), since the part of the wave which is at x at time t would have been at x = 0 at time t - x/w.
 
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The wave is propagating in the +x direction with speed w, so if you know y0(t) at x = 0, then you can calculate y(x,t) as y0(t - x/w), since the part of the wave which is at x at time t would have been at x = 0 at time t - x/w.

Oh, this makes perfect sense. At first it sounded like something was being obtained from nothing.
 

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