De Moivre's Theorem for Rational Exponents

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The discussion revolves around the application of De Moivre's Theorem to rational exponents, specifically examining the implications of expressing complex numbers in polar form and the conditions under which certain equalities hold. Participants explore the nature of these expressions and the potential contradictions that arise when considering special cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the expressions involving cosines and sines for rational exponents do not lead to contradictions, while others question the validity of the equalities presented.
  • One participant emphasizes that the left side of the expression represents a specific pth root, while the right side encompasses all pth roots, which may differ unless certain conditions are met.
  • Another participant highlights that the equality holds only in special cases where k/p is an integer, suggesting a nuanced understanding of the relationship between the two sides of the equation.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the distinction between the left and right sides of the expressions, with some participants seeking clarification on what the right side represents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the expressions are equal under all circumstances, with some asserting that they are not equal in general, while others maintain that they can be equal under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these expressions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the definitions and conditions under which the expressions are considered equal, particularly in relation to the nature of pth roots and the implications of rational exponents.

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##cosθ + isinθ = cos(θ + 2kπ) + isin(θ + 2kπ)## for ##k ∈ ℤ##
##[cosθ + isinθ]^n = [cos(θ + 2kπ) + isin(θ + 2kπ)]^n##
##cos(nθ) + isin(nθ) = cos(nθ + 2nkπ) + isin(nθ + 2nkπ)##
##cos(nθ + 2mπ) + isin(nθ + 2mπ) = cos(nθ + 2nkπ) + isin(nθ + 2nkπ)## for ##m ∈ ℤ##

Now consider the special case ##n = 1/p## for ##p ∈ ℤ##

##cos(\frac{θ}{p} + 2mπ) + isin(\frac{θ}{p} + 2mπ) = cos(\frac{θ}{p} + \frac{2kπ}{p}) + isin(\frac{θ}{p} + \frac{2kπ}{p})##

Is this a contradiction?
 
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Where do you see a contradiction?
 
MohammedRady97 said:
##cosθ + isinθ = cos(θ + 2kπ) + isin(θ + 2kπ)## for ##k ∈ ℤ##
##[cosθ + isinθ]^n = [cos(θ + 2kπ) + isin(θ + 2kπ)]^n##
##cos(nθ) + isin(nθ) = cos(nθ + 2nkπ) + isin(nθ + 2nkπ)##
##cos(nθ + 2mπ) + isin(nθ + 2mπ) = cos(nθ + 2nkπ) + isin(nθ + 2nkπ)## for ##m ∈ ℤ##

Now consider the special case ##n = 1/p## for ##p ∈ ℤ##

##cos(\frac{θ}{p} + 2mπ) + isin(\frac{θ}{p} + 2mπ) = cos(\frac{θ}{p} + \frac{2kπ}{p}) + isin(\frac{θ}{p} + \frac{2kπ}{p})##

Is this a contradiction?
No. The left side and the right side are two different things. The left side simply expresses the fact e^{2in\pi}=1 while the right side simply says there are p pth roots of e^{i\theta}
 
mathman said:
No. The left side and the right side are two different things. The left side simply expresses the fact e^{2in\pi}=1 while the right side simply says there are p pth roots of e^{i\theta}

The very fact that the RHS and LHS seem to represent two different things is the reason I'm confused as to whether the equality holds.
 
mathman said:
No. The left side and the right side are two different things. The left side simply expresses the fact e^{2in\pi}=1 while the right side simply says there are p pth roots of e^{i\theta}

Also, could you please elaborate on what the RHS represents?
 
e^{i(\theta+2k\pi)} is the same number for all integer values of k. However e^{\frac{i(\theta+2k\pi)}{p}} will have p possible values for k =0,1,...,p-1. These are the pth roots.
 
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mathman said:
e^{i(\theta+2k\pi)} is the same number for all integer values of k. However e^{\frac{i(\theta+2k\pi)}{p}} will have p possible values for k =0,1,...,p-1. These are the pth roots.

But this means that, technically, they're not equal. Right? They're only equal in special cases where k/p is an integer.
 
MohammedRady97 said:
But this means that, technically, they're not equal. Right? They're only equal in special cases where k/p is an integer.
I hate to keep repeating myself. The left side of the expression represents one particular pth root. The right side is any pth root, depending on k, which is different, unless k/p is an integer.
 

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