Decomposition using roots of unity

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The discussion revolves around decomposing the polynomial x5 - 1 into a product of three polynomials with real coefficients, utilizing the concept of roots of unity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the identification of the fifth roots of unity and their implications for polynomial decomposition. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of decomposition into three polynomials and the nature of complex conjugate pairs.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a back-and-forth regarding the identification of roots and the formation of real polynomials from complex conjugates. Some have offered guidance on how to pair roots to achieve real coefficients, while others have questioned the accuracy of the roots listed.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of typographical errors in the identification of roots, which have led to clarifications and corrections among participants. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to ensure accurate understanding of the roots and their properties.

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Homework Statement


Decompose x5 - 1 into the product of 3 polynomials with real coefficients, using roots of unity.

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As far as I know, for xn = 1 for all n ∈ ℤ, there exist n distinct roots.

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So, let ω = e2πi/5. I can therefore find all the 5th roots of unity:ω1 = e2πi/5
ω2 = ω2 = e4πi/5
ω3 = ω3 = e6πi/5
ω4 = ω4 = e8πi/5
ω5 = ω5 = e5πi/5 = 1

As far as I can get all the roots, I still don't quite understand how to decompose it into a product of 3 polynomials... What does it mean?
 
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I can get (x - 1)(x4 + x3 + x2 + x + 1), but then what to do?

To decompose (x4 + x3 + x2 + x + 1) into 2 more?
 
ichabodgrant said:
I can get (x - 1)(x4 + x3 + x2 + x + 1), but then what to do?

To decompose (x4 + x3 + x2 + x + 1) into 2 more?

Your polynomial is ##(x-\omega_1) (x-\omega_2) (x-\omega_3) (x-\omega_4) (x-\omega_5)##. Try looking at a pair of factors corresponding to complex conjugate roots.
 
You mean this pair are conjugates to each other?
 
ichabodgrant said:
You mean this pair are conjugates to each other?

I mean if ##r## is a complex number and ##r^*## is its conjugate then ##(x-r) (x-r^*)## is a real polynomial. Use that.
 
You mean I can make two pairs into the form (x−r)(x−r∗) that makes them real?
 
ichabodgrant said:
So, let ω = e2πi/5. I can therefore find all the 5th roots of unity:ω1 = e2πi/5
ω2 = ω2 = e4πi/5
ω3 = ω3 = e6πi/5
ω4 = ω4 = e8πi/5
ω5 = ω5 = e5πi/5 = 1
The last one in your list is wrong. e5πi/5 = eπi = -1.
 
ichabodgrant said:
You mean I can make two pairs into the form (x−r)(x−r∗) that makes them real?

I mean that if you multiply that out the coefficients of each power of x will be real. Try it. Do you see why?
 
ichabodgrant said:
You mean I can make two pairs into the form (x−r)(x−r∗) that makes them real?

Just try it out for yourself!
 
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I can solve it now. Thanks.
 
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Mark44 said:
The last one in your list is wrong. e5πi/5 = eπi = -1.
Sorry. My typo... It should be (e2πi/5)5, so it equals 1.
 
  • #12
ichabodgrant said:
Sorry. My typo... It should be (e2πi/5)5, so it equals 1.
I figured as much. To keep the same form as the other roots in your list, you could write it as e10πi/5
 

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