Decompostion of conditional probabilities

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The discussion revolves around the decomposition of conditional probabilities, specifically examining the relationship between the conditional probability of an event A given a union of disjoint events B1, B2, ..., Bn. Participants explore whether the formula Pr(A|B) can be expressed as a sum of the conditional probabilities of A given each individual event Bi, weighted by the probabilities of those events.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if B is the union of disjoint events B1, B2, ..., Bn, then Pr(A|B) could be expressed as a sum of the form Pr(A|B1)Pr(B1) + Pr(A|B2)Pr(B2) + ... + Pr(A|Bn)Pr(Bn).
  • Another participant questions whether the events B1, B2, etc., are disjoint, which is confirmed by the original poster.
  • A participant provides a detailed derivation of the conditional probability for two events, suggesting that the proposed formula may not hold in general unless certain conditions are met, particularly regarding the normalization by P(B).
  • Examples are suggested to illustrate the concepts, including a scenario involving the roll of a die to clarify the events A, B, B1, and B2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the disjoint nature of the events but disagree on the validity of the proposed formula for Pr(A|B) without normalization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the formula under different conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the general applicability of the proposed formula and highlight the need for normalization in certain cases. The discussion includes various mathematical identities and assumptions that may not be universally applicable.

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So If B=B1UB2U...UBn would Pr(A|B)=Pr(A|B1)Pr(B1)+Pr(A|B2)Pr(B2)+...+Pr(A|Bn)Pr(Bn)?

I haven't found a formula for this but it makes intuitive sense.
 
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torquerotates said:
So If B=B1UB2U...UBn would Pr(A|B)=Pr(A|B1)Pr(B1)+Pr(A|B2)Pr(B2)+...+Pr(A|Bn)Pr(Bn)?

I haven't found a formula for this but it makes intuitive sense.

Hey torquerotates.

Before I give my take on the answer, do you assume that all the B1, B2, etc are disjoint? In other words is Bi AND Bj = NullSet for i != j?
 
Yes they are disjoint.
 
torquerotates said:
Yes they are disjoint.

For two events I get the following:

P(A|B1UB2) = P(A and (B1UB2))/P(B1UB2) = P((A and B1) U (A and B2))/P(B1UB2) = P(A and B1)/P(B1UB2) + P(A and B2)/P(B1UB2) - P(A and B1 and B2)/P(B1UB2)

= P(A and B1)/(P(B1) + P(B2)) + P(A and B1)/(P(B1) + P(B2)) - 0

= 1/P(B)[P(A and B1) + P(A and B2)]

= 1/P(B)[P(A and B1]P(B1)/P(B1) + P(A and B2)P(B2)/P(B2)]

= 1/P(B)[P(A|B1)P(B1) + P(A|B2)P(B2)] if we assume P(Bi) > 0 and is a valid probability.

If the above is right then your answer is wrong in general but right when B is the universal probability space.

Because your probability P(B) may not be one, it means that the above needs to be corrected using this information. Just for an example consider P(B1) = P(B2) = 1/4 and P(A|B1) = P(A|B2). But since 1/4[P(A|B1) + P(A|B2)] = 1/2P(A|B) for this example since P(B1) = P(B2) and since B1 and B2 are disjoint we have:

Then under these conditions we have:

1/P(B) x [P(A|B1)P(B1) + P(A|B2)P(B2)]
= 1/(1/2) x [P(A|B1)x1/4 + P(A|B1)x1/4]
=(1/4)/(1/2) x [P(A|B1) + P(A|B2)]
= 1/2 x [(1/2)/(1/4)]xP(A|B)
= 1/2 x 2 x P(A|B)
= P(A|B) for this example.

If we did not 'normalize' by P(B) we would not have gotten the right answer.

While I think the above is right, I would like others to check if they could just to make sure, but I'm only using a few identities which are basically distribution over sets and multiplication by 'x/x' terms for P(Bi)/P(Bi).
 
torquerotates said:
it makes intuitive sense.

Did you do any examples?

Let
A = the roll of a fair die produces an even number
B = the face that comes up is a 1 or a 2
B1 = the face that comes up is a 1
B2 = the face that comes up is a 2
 

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