Beta & Alpha Decay Electron & Particle Velocities

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The discussion centers on the velocities of electrons emitted during beta decay and alpha particles emitted during alpha decay. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of these processes, including energy distributions and calculations related to particle velocities.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the velocity of the emitted electron in beta decay is continuous and depends on the distribution of energy among the neutrino, electron, and nucleus.
  • Another participant states that the maximum velocity of the electron can be determined by energy conservation, specifically for neutron decay, where the maximum electron energy is approximately given by the mass difference between the neutron and proton.
  • It is mentioned that for beta decay, the velocity can be calculated using the relation v=p/E, with p being the momentum and E the energy, and that this is close to but slightly less than the speed of light in natural units.
  • For alpha decay, a participant claims that the alpha particle has a definite velocity determined by the mass difference of the initial and final nuclei, and that a nonrelativistic approximation is typically sufficient for calculations.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about using the equations provided due to limited knowledge of particle physics and seeks an approximation for the velocity of an electron emitted from uranium-238.
  • Another participant provides a resource indicating that uranium-238 emits an alpha particle with an energy of about 4 MeV, suggesting that classical kinetic energy can be used to calculate its velocity, while noting that a 1 MeV beta particle requires relativistic corrections for speed determination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the continuous nature of the beta decay spectrum and the dependence of velocities on energy conservation principles. However, there is no consensus on specific velocity values or the methods for calculating them, as some participants express uncertainty and seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying levels of understanding among participants regarding particle physics, which affects their ability to engage with the mathematical formulations presented. The discussion also reflects differing approaches to calculating velocities based on relativistic versus nonrelativistic considerations.

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What velocity does the electron that is emitted from a beta-decay have? And what velocity does the Alpha particle have when it's emitted?
 
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beta decay:The spectrum is continuous I think, It depends on the distribution of P, over the neutrino , electron , and the Nucleus.
But the energy is usually from several 100 Kev to Mev's
 
The beta decay spectrum is continuous. The electron has a maximum velocity determined by energy conservation. For neutron decay, the maximum electron energy is approximately given by E=M_n-M_p. Then v=p/E with p=\sqrt{E^2-m_e^2}~1-m_2^2/2E, which is close to but a bit
smaller than 1. (all in units with c=1)
For nuclear beta decay, put in the masses of the nuclei.

The alpha particle has a definite velocity. Its energy is the difference in masses of the initial and final nuclei. Then v is found as above, but a nonrelativistic approximation is usually good.
 
Hmm, I don't know how to use that equation since I know very little of particle physics. How would you approximate a normal velocity for an electron to be when it's released for example from an uranium-238?
 
See - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/radser.html

U-238 emits an alpha particle with an energy of about 4 MeV, which is non-relativistic, so one can use the classical kinetic energy E = 1/2 mv2 to calculate a velocity. One could ignore the momentum lost (<2%) to the Th-234 daughter product.

On the other hand, a 1 MeV beta particle requires a relativistic correction to determine its speed.

For beta energies, look here - http://hps.org/publicinformation/radardecaydata.cfm

Select an element, then select the isotopic mass, then 'get data'.
 

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