Deduction of the action of this unitary on the wavefunction

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The discussion revolves around the properties of unitary operators in quantum mechanics, specifically the operator ##U_\lambda = \exp(i \lambda \hat{Z} / \hbar)## and its effect on wavefunctions and energy eigenstates. Participants explore the implications of the commutation relation between operators ##\hat{Z}## and ##\hat{E}##, the transformation of functions of ##\hat{E}##, and the potential contradictions arising from the assumptions about energy bounds.

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  • One participant asserts that the transformation leads to the relation ##U \phi (E) = \phi (E - \lambda)##, but expresses uncertainty about this deduction.
  • Another participant suggests that the integration should run from ##-\infty## to ##\infty## and provides a comparison to support this claim.
  • A different participant questions the assumption that ##\hat{E}## represents energy bounded from below, raising concerns about the implications if ##E - \lambda## becomes negative.
  • One participant clarifies that they are considering a context involving a putative time operator and acknowledges the lower bound of energy in non-relativistic problems.
  • Another participant reflects on the potential mistake in the notes regarding the transformation of energy eigenstates, suggesting that shifting the eigenstate to the left would require a different mapping.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding the bounds of energy and the implications of the unitary transformation. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial claims or the implications of the transformations discussed.

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Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions about the energy operator and the bounds of energy eigenstates, as well as the mathematical subtleties involved in the transformations being discussed.

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I have operators satisfying ##[\hat{Z} , \hat{E}] = i \hbar##. The operators ##\hat{Z}## and ##\hat{E}## are taken to be Hermitian. You consider the unitary operator

##U_\lambda = \exp (i \lambda \hat{Z} / \hbar)##.

I have proved that

##U_\lambda \hat{E} U_\lambda^\dagger = \hat{E} - \lambda \quad Eq.1##

I know how to apply Eq.1 to any function of ##\hat{E}##, ##f (\hat{E})##, which may be Taylor expanded. Moreover consider the application of the transformation to some matrix elements

##\int_0^\infty \psi^* (E) f (\hat{E}) \phi (E) dE = \int_0^\infty \psi^* U^\dagger U f (\hat{E}) U^\dagger U \phi dE = \int \psi^* U^\dagger f (\hat{E} - \lambda) U \phi dE##

I'm told that you can deduce from this that (and similarly for ##\psi^*##):

##U \phi (E) = \phi (E - \lambda)##.

I not sure I understand this. What am I missing?

Thanks.
 
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The integration should run from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##. Then
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^* (E) f (E) \phi (E) dE = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^* (E-\lambda) f (\hat{E-\lambda}) \phi (E-\lambda) dE$$
Now compare this with ##\int_{-\infty}^\infty (U\psi)^\dagger f (E - \lambda) U \phi dE##
 
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The integration should run from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##. Then
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^* (E) f (E) \phi (E) dE = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^* (E-\lambda) f (\hat{E-\lambda}) \phi (E-\lambda) dE$$
Now compare this with ##\int_{-\infty}^\infty (U\psi)^\dagger f (E - \lambda) U \phi dE##

Actually ##E## is the Energy and is bounded from below, I've taken the lower bound to be ##E=0##, so that there are no energy-eigenstates for ##E < 0##. I probably should have mentioned that.

Did a major edit here.
 
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Are you sure ##\hat{E}## is energy and should be bound to zero? What if ##E-\lambda## is negative, ##\phi(E-\lambda)## will then have no defined state?
Actually ##U## operator is called the translation operator, you may remember that there is a pair of well-known operators which satisfy the same commutator relation as our problem here, which are the momentum and position operators. Besides how come you explicitly write that the eigenvalues of ##\hat{E}## is continuous? Perhaps it will help if you tell us in which context/discussion you encountered this problem.
 
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It is energy - I'm looking into the problems that arise when you attempt defining a putative Hermitian operator conjugate to the Hamiltonian operator (so a putative time operator. I'm aware that time is not a dynamical quantity but I'm ignoring that for the moment). In non-relativistic problems the energy has a lower bound and we may as well take it be 0 as we are allowed to.

By the way I'm not worrying too much about some of the mathematical subtleties right now - just trying to get a first handle on it.

The contradiction I'm leading up to is applying ##U## to an energy eigenstate, ##\phi (E) = \delta (E-E_0)##, which only has an amplitude at some particular energy ##E_0##, with ##\lambda## is sufficiently big to displace ##E_0## below ##E=0## where, by assumption, there are no energy eigenstates, proving no Hermitian ##\hat{Z}## exists.

In relativistic quantum mechanics there is the gap ##-mc^2 < E < mc^2##, so we can apply similar arguments there.
 
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Come to think of it, my old prof's notes I'm looking at might have a mistake...when you do ##\phi(E) \mapsto \phi (E - \lambda)## what this does is moves the function to the right along the ##E-##axis by ##\lambda##.

If I want to shift the energy eigenstate ##\phi (E) = \delta (E-E_0)## to the left along the ##E-##axis (creating an energy-eigenstate with negative energy and hence a contradiction) don't I need to do ##\phi (E) \mapsto \phi (E+\lambda)##?

Obviously ##\phi (E+\lambda) = \delta (E+\lambda-E_0)## only has an amplitude at ##E = E_0 - \lambda##!
 
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