Defining Emitter vs Observer for Schwarzschild Metric

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The discussion revolves around defining the quantities related to an emitter of light falling into a Schwarzschild black hole, specifically focusing on the quantity u defined as u=t-v. Participants are exploring the relationship between the measurements of the emitter and those of an observer at large distances, as well as the implications of the Schwarzschild metric on these definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a clear definition of u as observed by the emitter, questioning whether t_e corresponds to the proper time τ.
  • Another participant notes that they have been informed that the relationship $$du_o/d\tau=du_e/d\tau$$ holds, prompting a request for clarification on why this is the case.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in notation, clarifying that they meant u as measured by the emitter.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about how u can be measured, suggesting that it is merely a function of t and r.
  • There is a discussion about the need for a specific coordinate system for the emitter to determine the explicit form of u_e.
  • A participant confirms that the proper time referenced is that of the emitter but admits uncertainty about how to perform the necessary substitutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the definitions and relationships involved. There is no consensus on the explicit form of u_e or the method for substitution, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps necessary to define u_e explicitly. The discussion is dependent on the choice of coordinate system for the emitter, which remains unspecified.

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Let's say we are working with the Schwarzschild metric and we have an emitter of light falling into a Schwarzschild black hole.

Suppose we define the quantity u=t- v where dv/dr= 1/(1-r_{s}/r) where r_s is the Schwarzschild radius. What is the u as observed by the emitter? I just need a *definition of u_e*. I have problems identifying the quantities as measured by an observer at large r and that of the emitter. Would I be right at least to say that t_{e}=\tau the proper time? Many thanks.

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In fact, I've been told that

$$du_o/d\tau=du_e/d\tau$$

Why is it?
 
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MarkovMarakov said:
Let's say we are working with the Schwarzschild metric and we have an emitter of light falling into a Schwarzschild black hole.

Suppose we define the quantity $$u=t- v$$ where $$dv/dr= 1/(1-r_{s}/r)$$ where $r_s$ is the Schwarzschild radius. What is the $u$ as observed by the emitter? I just need a *definition of $u$*.
I don't understand. You already gave the definition of u as u=t-v.
 
@DaleSpam: You are right. I have missed out the subscript e. I meant u as measured by the emitter.
 
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Well, v is just some function of r and so u is just some function of t and r. I don't see how it is something measured by anyone.

Please fix your LaTeX.
 
@DaleSpam: LaTex fixed. I suppose u_e would be in terms of t_e,r_e measured by the emitter, no? But then what is its explicit form?
 
Well, what coordinate system do you want to use for the emitter? Then you would just have to substitute in the transforms for the emitter's coordinates.
 
@DaleSpam: the proper time is that of the emitter. I am still not sure how to do the substitution though. (Sorry about my daftness. :( )
 

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