Definition of Asymptoticity to a Function

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The discussion revolves around the definition of asymptoticity in relation to power series and functions. Participants explore the meaning and implications of the definition, particularly in the context of convergence, error terms, and intuitive understanding of asymptotic behavior.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of asymptoticity, questioning its meaning and implications, particularly regarding the remainder after N terms being much smaller than (x-xo)^N.
  • Another participant suggests that for a power series to converge, the terms must approach zero rapidly, implying that the difference between the function and the power series becomes arbitrarily small as more terms are included.
  • A third participant provides a formal definition of asymptotic series, noting that some series may converge while others diverge, and emphasizes that often only the first two terms are necessary for practical applications in physics.
  • One participant illustrates the concept of asymptotic similarity using functions f(x) = x^2 and f(x) = x^2 - x, suggesting that the difference between them becomes insignificant as x becomes very large.
  • The same participant introduces a limit condition for asymptotic behavior, stating that two functions are asymptotic if the limit of their ratio approaches 1 as x approaches infinity, while also mentioning big-O notation as a related concept.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding and interpretations of asymptoticity, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or understanding. Some participants agree on the general principles of convergence and error terms, while others highlight the complexity and variability of asymptotic series.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions underlying the definitions and the conditions under which asymptotic series may converge or diverge. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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Hi all!
Can anyone explain me why " a power series is asymptotic to a function" is defined as shown in the picture?

Referring to the first definitoin, it means that the remainder after N terms should be much smaller than (x-xo)^N? Actually, I can't "sense" the meaning of such definition.

Maybe, sometimes, a definition may not bare any meaning...

But, "asymptotic", in my mind, means "closer and closer" to something. And I guess this definition should bare some implication for this. Can anyone explain this definition for me?

I am completely stucked with this..Please kindly help.
 

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I'm assuming those should be power series, of form [itex]a_n(x - x_o)^n[/itex] in the summation.

Let ~ mean =, let M = N + 1 (can't be guaranteed that it's non-zero, but can always replace 1 with lowest integer b s.t. a_b non-zero), substitute the bottom equation into the
[tex]a_{N+1}(x - x_o)^1 << 1 [/itex]<br /> Since this must be true for all x, the a's must become arbitrarily small. <br /> <br /> Think what you're asking for is more intuitive understanding. Remember that for a series to converge, the terms ([itex]a_n(x - x_o)^n[/itex] in this case) must approach 0 fast enough; in fact they become arbitrarily small. What the second equation is saying is that the difference between the function and the power series to which it's equal becomes arbitrarily small as the number of terms are included. <br /> <br /> The error between f_N(x), the series with the first N terms, and f(x) the actual function, is about [itex]a_M(x - x_o)^M[/itex], which goes to 0 as N goes to infinity. <br /> <br /> Does that help?[/tex]
 
A series is said to be asymptotic to a function [tex]f(\epsilon)[/tex] if

[tex]f(\epsilon)=\sum_{m=0}^{N-1} c_m \delta_m(\epsilon)+o(\delta_N)[/tex] as [tex]\epsilon\rightarrow 0[/tex]

where [tex]\delta_m(\epsilon)[/tex] is called the asymptotic secquence. Thus, the Nth [tex]c[/tex] coefficient is small compared with the N-1 one. To say the truth, some asymptotic series may converge and another diverge. Usually one stops at the term which has a minimum error. The error uses to have a local minimum or a minimum at infinity. In fact, uniform convergence of an asymptotic series is not always needed in problems related to physics, because usually one only needs the first two terms of the series. Also, a function [tex]f[/tex] may have several asymptotic series, some of them may be divergent and others convergent.
 
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Let N be a very, large number.

N^2 is very, very large number, right?
N^2 - N is a very, very large number right?

But the difference between the two is only very large -- that's an insignificant when you're dealing with very, very large quantities!

So, there's a real intuitive sense that the functions:

f(x) = x^2

and

f(x) = x^2 - x

are asymptotically similar.


For suitably well-behaved functions, f(x) and g(x) are asymptotic iff:

[tex] \lim_{x \rightarrow +\infty} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = 1[/tex]

Some contexts might play with the constant on the r.h.s. For example, the big-O notation you see in analytic number theory and computer science is given by:

[tex] f(x) \in O(g(x)) \Leftrightarrow<br /> \lim_{x \rightarrow +\infty} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} < +\infty[/tex]

(again, I'm assuming suitably well-behaved functions to simplify things)
 

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