Definition of Candela: Learn its Meaning

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The discussion revolves around the definition and implications of the candela as a unit of luminous intensity. Participants explore its relevance, the nature of its definition, and its relationship to human perception of light. The conversation includes technical explanations, personal opinions, and questions regarding the standardization of the weighting function used in its definition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of candela and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant argues that the candela is an unnecessary base unit in the SI system, suggesting it is overly dependent on perceptual factors rather than purely physical quantities.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the candela can be understood as the equivalent brightness of a certain number of burning candles.
  • Several participants clarify that the candela is defined as a unit of luminous intensity, which incorporates a weighting function based on human visual response.
  • Questions arise regarding whether the weighting function is standardized in the SI definition of candela, with some participants indicating uncertainty about its status.
  • One participant mentions the existence of two standard functions for luminous intensity based on different visual conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity and definition of the candela, with some agreeing on its role as a unit of luminous intensity while others contest its inclusion as a base unit in the SI system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the standardization of the weighting function.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of the weighting function's standardization and its implications for the definition of candela. The conversation reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the unit's definition.

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I cannot Understand properly the correct definition of candela.Can you please explain me.I know the definition by heart but i don't understand it properly
 
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Candela is, in my opinion, an unnecessary base physical unit. i don't think that it (or the mole) should exist in SI.

essentially it is a unit of luminosity which is a perceptual quantity and only indirectly related to a physical quantity of radiant intensity (1/683 watt per steradian that can be translated to a quantity of power because there is [itex]4 \pi[/itex] steradians comprizing all directions in 3 dimensional space) but defined at a particular frequency of visible light 540 x 1012 Hz (which is, i think yellowish green). but to talk about equivalent luminousity for other frequencies or colors, you might need to refer to data that looks like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candela
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/specrend/

all's i can say is that if you have an omni-directional radiating element with total radiant power of 0.018398785 watts that radiates at frequency 540 x 1012 Hz (a wavelength of 555 nm), you have something that has, by definition, a perceived brightness of 1 candela. if it's another frequency but the same power, the luminosity will be less than 1 candela (i think you use that solid black curve in the Wikipedia article).

it's not a physical unit, it has all sorts of heuristic perceptual dependency in it, and it doesn't belong as a base unit in a system of units like SI. it's kinda a dumb inherited thing.
 
Isn't it just "the number of burning candles you'd need, to replace whatever you're measuring, so that the brightness looks the same"?
 
The Candela is the unit of Luminous Intensity. Luminous Intensity is simply radiometric intensity (i.e. Watts per steradian), with a weighting function that is dependent on wavelength which is based on the human response of the eye.

The Candela is part of a larger set of units called photometric units. Photometric units are units based on how we perceive the radiation with our eyes, this is why the response of the eye has to be taken into account for these units.

Astronomers tend to use these units more than others in my experience, perpetuated most likely due to the abundance of amateur astronomers out there. Professional astronomers have little reason to use photometric units these days because all of their measurements are done radiometrically anyway.

Claude.
 
Claude Bile said:
The Candela is the unit of Luminous Intensity. Luminous Intensity is simply radiometric intensity (i.e. Watts per steradian), with a weighting function that is dependent on wavelength which is based on the human response of the eye.

but is that weighting function standardized in the SI as part of the definition of Candela? i cannot see that it is when i look at the NIST site about this.
 
I believe there are two standard functions, one based on normal vision and another on dark-adapted vision.

EDIT: http://physics.nist.gov/Document/sp330.pdf - see the chapter under photometric units.

Claude.
 
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