Definition of Clifford Algebras

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of Clifford algebras, particularly focusing on the role of the mapping ##j## and its implications for generating the algebra ##A##. Participants explore the conditions under which elements of the image of ##j## can generate the identity element and the algebra itself, considering both linear combinations and algebra multiplication.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the image of the mapping ##j(E)## can generate the algebra ##A## if the identity element ##1## is not included in ##j(E)##.
  • Another participant suggests that elements such as ##1+x## and ##-x## could be in the range of ##j##, which might allow for the identity to be generated.
  • A further contribution posits that if ##j(v) = 1 + x## and ##j(w) = -x## for some vectors ##v, w \in E##, then the linearity of ##j## implies that the sum ##j(u) = j(v) + j(w) = 1##, suggesting that ##1## would indeed be in ##j(E)##.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of considering multiplication in addition to linear combinations when discussing the generation of the algebra.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of generating an algebra, emphasizing that it includes the smallest algebra containing the generating set, which encompasses both linear combinations and products.
  • One participant confirms that the generation of ##A## by ##j(E)## implies the consideration of finite products of the generating set.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the implications of the mapping ##j## and its ability to generate the algebra ##A##, as participants present differing views on the necessity of including the identity element and the role of multiplication.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions under which the identity element can be generated and the specific requirements for the algebra generated by ##j(E)##. The discussion reflects a nuanced exploration of definitions and properties without resolving the underlying questions.

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I was reading D.J.H. Garling's book "Clifford Algebra: An Introduction" and it defines clifford algebras as follows:

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But if ##1 \notin j(E)##, how come ##j(E)## generate ##A## since it doesn't generate its identity element?
 
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You could have elements 1+x and -x in the range of j, and then 1 is contained in the algebra generated by the range
 
Office_Shredder said:
You could have elements 1+x and -x in the range of j, and then 1 is contained in the algebra generated by the range
But if, let's say, ##j(v) = 1 + x## and ##j(w) = -x##, for ##v,w \in E##. The element ##u = v + w## is also in ##E## and since ##j## is linear, we would have ##j(u) = j(v+w) = j(v) + j(w) = 1##, which would imply ##1 \in j(E)##, right?
 
jv07cs said:
But if, let's say, ##j(v) = 1 + x## and ##j(w) = -x##, for ##v,w \in E##. The element ##u = v + w## is also in ##E## and since ##j## is linear, we would have ##j(u) = j(v+w) = j(v) + j(w) = 1##, which would imply ##1 \in j(E)##, right?
Sorry you're right you need multiplication to make things interesting. E.g. you could have some ##x,y## in the range of ##j## such that ##xy=1## (or maybe you need to layer some addition on top of multiplication, I haven't thought carefully about it obviously)
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Sorry you're right you need multiplication to make things interesting. E.g. you could have some ##x,y## in the range of ##j## such that ##xy=1## (or maybe you need to layer some addition on top of multiplication, I haven't thought carefully about it obviously)
Oh okay. So by "##j## generates ##A##" we don't limit ourselves to just linear combinations, we should also consider the algebra multiplication right?
 
Generates as an algebra over the given field means the smalest algebra that contains the gwnerating set. It will also contain the field. The same way that the set of one element ##x## generates the algebra of polynomials in ##x##.
 
jv07cs said:
Oh okay. So by "##j## generates ##A##" we don't limit ourselves to just linear combinations, we should also consider the algebra multiplication right?
This is correct
 
When you say ##j(E)## generates ##A##, which is an algebra, then it's already implicit that one considers the smallest subalgebra that contains ##j(E)##. IOW, it's the set of all linear combinations of finite products of the generating set - polynomials, if you will.
 

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