Definition of first order infinitesimal using equivalence class

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The discussion centers around the definition of first order infinitesimals in the context of Synthetic Differential Geometry (SDG), specifically regarding the extension of the real numbers to *R and the use of equivalence classes. Participants raise questions about the nature of infinitesimals and the properties of ideals in this mathematical framework.

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  • One participant questions how the class generated by the function h(t)=t can be considered a first order infinitesimal number, seeking clarification on the underlying concept.
  • Another participant mentions the requirements for proving that a set is an ideal of a ring, specifically the need for closure under addition and multiplication by ring elements.
  • A participant reiterates the conditions for an ideal and expresses curiosity about whether h(t)=t being an infinitesimal function implies that it approaches zero as t approaches zero.
  • One participant suggests that h(t)=t being an element of D is a descriptive way of framing the mathematical concepts involved.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definition and implications of first order infinitesimals, with some seeking clarification while others provide insights. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of h(t)=t as an infinitesimal function.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical concepts that may depend on specific definitions and properties of limits and ideals, which are not fully resolved in the posts.

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Hello!

I'm studying Synthetic Differential Geometry and I read about model construction of SDG.
I found such source: http://www.iam.fmph.uniba.sk/amuc/_vol-73/_no_2/_giordano/giordano.pdf

I have questions about extension R to *R and about definition of first order infinitesimal using equivalence classes.
1.) I can't understand how "the class generated by h(t)=t could be a first order infinitesimal number" (see below). How is it possible? How does it work? What is idea of this?

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2.) How is it possible to define D using the condition of limsup? How did author prove that D is an ideal of *R using properties of limsup? I can't understand it.
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Thanks!!
 
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To prove its an ideal of a ring you need two things. It's closed under addition, and multiplying an element of the ideal by any element of the ring gives an element of the ideal. h and k are ideal elements and x is an arbitrary ring element in the proof
 
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Office_Shredder said:
To prove its an ideal of a ring you need two things. It's closed under addition, and multiplying an element of the ideal by any element of the ring gives an element of the ideal. h and k are ideal elements and x is an arbitrary ring element in the proof
Thanks. What do you think about "the class generated by h(t)=t could be a first order infinitesimal number"? Does it mean that h(t)=t is infinitesimal function (t->0)?
 
Really it just means ##h(t)=t## is an element of ##D##. They're just trying to describe in words the math that is about to come
 
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