Definition of the following Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the proper naming and understanding of an equation used for calculating air flow energy, specifically in relation to Bernoulli's equation and its applicability to compressible fluids like air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expression for air flow energy as (0.5*D*V^2)+P, questioning its proper name and noting its similarity to Bernoulli's equation.
  • Another participant points out that the expression lacks an equals sign, thus not qualifying as an equation, and suggests it resembles part of Bernoulli's equation.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the expression does not have the dimensions of energy, indicating that it cannot be used for energy calculations as presented.
  • Some participants discuss the conditions under which air can be treated as incompressible, noting that this approximation is valid for certain Mach numbers and scenarios.
  • One participant clarifies that the correct expression for fluid energy is Fluid Energy = P + 1/2 ρv^2, which is related to Bernoulli's equation.
  • Another participant explains that P + 1/2 ρv^2 is referred to as total pressure, combining static and dynamic pressures, and provides the form of Bernoulli's equation for compressible flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the original expression is not a proper equation and discuss its relationship to Bernoulli's equation. However, there are differing views on its applicability to compressible flow and the conditions under which air can be treated as incompressible.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the density of air and the conditions under which the expressions can be applied, particularly in relation to compressibility and flow characteristics.

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I have been using the following equation in my assignments to calculate the air flow energy:

(0.5*D*V^2)+P

where:

D= density
V=veolcity
P= Pressure

I understand bernoulis conservation of energy equation is similar to the above however bernoulis equation does not apply to a compresable fluid such as air.

If somebody could explain the proper name of the above equation i would be most gratefull

thanks
 
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hi cjh1990! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
cjh1990 said:
(0.5*D*V^2)+P

that's not an equation (no = symbol) :confused:

but it looks like part of the standard Bernoulli's equation …

P + 1/2 ρv2
 
to calculate the air flow energy

Just to reinforce what TinyTim has said.

Not only is your expression not an equation, but it also does not have the dimensions of energy, so if you are trying to use it to calculate energy you will fail.

You are correct in observing that Bernoulli's equation applies to incompressible flow in standard form.
This may be done for air (gas ) flow in certaincircumstances or for short enough periods.
Otherwise you have to take density as a function of time or velocity, not as a constant.
 
There are many situations in aerodynamics where it is a reasonable approximation to assume that a gas IS incompressible (though of course real gases are compressible).

As a rule of thumb, it doesn't make much difference for flows with Mach numbers below about 0.2 - unless changes in pressure are an essential part of the way the system is suppposed to operate, like many heat engine cycles for example.
 
thanks for the reply. Sorry for the poor effort of writing out the equation, I am use to writing equations out in microsoft word in the set format. However the equation that tiny tim wrote is what i was trying to get at.

Thanks for all your descriptions that has more than answered my question thanks guys
 
Not sure you understood. Tiny Tim didn't write an equation. An equation has an equals sign in it.
 
The equation that is required in my assignment to calculate the energy of the internal air flow of a manifold is:

Fluid Energy= P + 1/2 ρv^2

Therfore i understand the bernoulis conservation energy equation, but i canot find a definition/explanation to this equation which is very similar to bernoulis.
 
hi cjh1990 ! :smile:

P + 1/2 ρv2 is called the total pressure … it's the sum of the static pressure P and the dynamic pressure 1/2 ρv2

(pleeeease stop calling it an equation … it's an expression, or a formula :frown:)

btw, Bernoulli's equation for compressible flow is

P + 1/2 ρv2 + ρgh + ρε = constant along a streamline,

where h is the height, and ε is the internal energy density :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi cjh1990! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


that's not an equation (no = symbol) :confused:

but it looks like part of the standard Bernoulli's equation …

P + 1/2 ρv2




i also think that is standard Bernoulli's equation...
 

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