Deflection of a cantilever beam with applied tension at the free end

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The discussion revolves around the deflection of a cantilever beam subjected to axial tension at its free end, in addition to its self-weight. Participants explore how the applied tension influences the beam's deflection and seek to understand the calculations involved, including the use of formulas from Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether applying tension at the free end of a cantilever beam affects its deflection compared to when only the beam's weight is considered.
  • Others emphasize the importance of the direction and magnitude of the tension vector in relation to the beam's stiffness and natural deflection.
  • One participant provides a formula for maximum deflection from Roark's, indicating variables such as distributed load, axial tensile load, beam length, Young’s modulus, and area moment of inertia.
  • There is a request for clarification on the nomenclature used in the formula, specifically regarding the definitions of variables like ##Y_{max}##, ##w##, ##P##, and ##l##.
  • Participants express interest in finding deflection values at points along the beam, not just at the free end, and inquire about the applicability of the Euler-Bernoulli equation for simultaneous axial and transverse loads.
  • One participant mentions a formula for deflection at any point along the beam and shares additional equations related to deflection and slope.
  • There is a request for the edition of Roark's reference used, leading to a specific citation from the eighth edition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the effects of tension on deflection, and there is no consensus on how to approach the problem or the implications of the formulas provided. Multiple competing views remain on the interpretation and application of the equations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for clarity on the definitions of terms used in the equations and the conditions under which the formulas apply. There are unresolved questions about the interaction between axial and transverse loads and how to calculate deflection at various points along the beam.

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Hello. I would like to know if applying tension to a cantilever beam at the free end affects the deflection it would have otherwise due to only its self weight, and if it does, how to calculate the deflection depending on the tension applied.
Not much to add since the question is fairly simple, but again I'm wondering if applying tension at the free end of a cantilever beam affects the deflection it would have if only itself weight is considered. Intuitively, tension should tend to straighten the beam, and if it does, how to calculate the resulting deflection? Please find below a simple illustration of the problem. Maybe I should also note that tension is always applied and not only after the beam is bent. Sorry for the simplicity of the question and thanks in advance.
CANTILIVER WITH APPLIED TENSION AT THE END.jpg
 
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The original and final directions and magnitude of the tension vector (respect to the stiffness of the beam) are very important.
In other words, how much could the natural deflection of the beam modify the vector tension?
 
From Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain: $$y_{max}=\frac{-w}{k^{2}P} \left( \frac{sinhkl \cdot \left( sinhkl-kl \right) }{coshkl} - \left( \left( coshkl-1 \right) - \frac{k^{2}}{2} l^{2}\right) \right)$$ where: $$k=\left( \frac{P}{EI} \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}$$
##w## - distributed load, ##P## - axial tensile load (there are separate formulas for compressive load case), ##l## - beam length, ##E## - Young’s modulus, ##I## - area moment of inertia.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Welcome!
The original and final directions and magnitude of the tension vector (respect to the stiffness of the beam) are very important.
In other words, how much could the natural deflection of the beam modify the vector tension?
I'm quite confused tbh, but the magnitude of the tension vector is constant, and its final direction depends on the final deflection of the beam since it is along its axis and what i am interested in is how much could the tension vector modify the natural deflection of the beam. Maybe a better way to word my question would be: how does a beam behave when subjected to axial and transverse loads simultaneously? is it possible to use the euler-bernoulli equation to solve the problem? Thanks

FEAnalyst said:
From Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain: $$y_{max}=\frac{-w}{k^{2}P} \left( \frac{sinhkl \cdot \left( sinhkl-kl \right) }{coshkl} - \left( \left( coshkl-1 \right) - \frac{k^{2}}{2} l^{2}\right) \right)$$ where: $$k=\left( \frac{P}{EI} \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}$$
##w## - distributed load, ##P## - axial tensile load (there are separate formulas for compressive load case), ##l## - beam length, ##E## - Young’s modulus, ##I## - area moment of inertia.

Correct me if I'm wrong but:
-Ymax is the deflection at the free end of the beam,
-w is the weight per length,
-P is the magnitude of the tension applied, and
-l is the length of the beam.
Thanks again.
 
mrbec said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but:
-Ymax is the deflection at the free end of the beam,
-w is the weight per length,
-P is the magnitude of the tension applied, and
-l is the length of the beam.
Thanks again.
I did not see that you added the nomenclature at the end, please ignore what i just said. Anyhow, the equation you provided gives the deflection at the free end of the beam, but is it possible to get the solution for every point along the beam since i want to know the position at which the deflection reaches a certain value? Thanks again.
 
mrbec said:
I did not see that you added the nomenclature at the end, please ignore what i just said. Anyhow, the equation you provided gives the deflection at the free end of the beam, but is it possible to get the solution for every point along the beam since i want to know the position at which the deflection reaches a certain value? Thanks again.

Yes, but I would rather call ##w## force per unit length (N/m).

Actually, the book also gives a formula for the deflection at any given point of the beam (with ##x## coordinate denoting distance from free end): $$y=y_{max}+ \frac{\theta_{max}}{k} sinhkx+LT_{y}$$ $$\theta_{max}=\frac{w}{kP} \cdot \frac{sinhkl-kl}{coshkl}$$ $$LT_{y}=\frac{-w}{Pk^{2}} \cdot (coshkx-1)- \frac{k^{2}}{2} x^{2}$$
 
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FEAnalyst said:
Actually, the book also gives a formula for the deflection at any given point of the beam (with ##x## coordinate denoting distance from free end): $$y=y_{max}+ \frac{\theta_{max}}{k} sinhkx+LT_{y}$$ $$\theta_{max}=\frac{w}{kP} \cdot \frac{sinhkl-kl}{coshkl}$$ $$LT_{y}=\frac{-w}{Pk^{2}} \cdot (coshkx-1)- \frac{k^{2}}{2} x^{2}$$
I'll try to work my way with this formula and see where it gets me. Thank you very much.
 
FEAnalyst said:
From Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain: $$y_{max}=\frac{-w}{k^{2}P} \left( \frac{sinhkl \cdot \left( sinhkl-kl \right) }{coshkl} - \left( \left( coshkl-1 \right) - \frac{k^{2}}{2} l^{2}\right) \right)$$ where: $$k=\left( \frac{P}{EI} \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}$$
##w## - distributed load, ##P## - axial tensile load (there are separate formulas for compressive load case), ##l## - beam length, ##E## - Young’s modulus, ##I## - area moment of inertia.

What edition of Roark would that be, please?
 
Dr.D said:
What edition of Roark would that be, please?

I’ve found this formula in eighth edition of Roark’s, page 270 (table 8.9. Shear, Moment, Slope, and Deflection Formulas for Beams Under Simultaneous Axial Tension and Transverse Loading).
 
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Thanks for the specific citation in Roark. That helps.
 

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