Cantilever beam deflection with point mass and point load at the end

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the deflection of a cantilever beam subjected to both a point load and a point mass at the end. Participants explore the relationship between these two conditions, particularly in the context of static and dynamic analyses, and whether the addition of a point mass affects the deflection of the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding a point mass at the end of a cantilever beam does not change the deflection, as the deflection formula remains the same (PL^3/3EI) when neglecting gravity.
  • Another participant clarifies that neglecting gravity means the point mass will not impact static deflection, but in finite element analysis (FEA), gravity must be enabled for point masses to function correctly.
  • A third participant agrees that for static loads, the mass of the beam and the mass at the end are not relevant, but notes that in dynamic scenarios, the point mass affects the system's response due to changes in the center of mass.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous points and confirms that in vibration problems, the point mass contributes to inertia, affecting natural frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that neglecting gravity leads to the conclusion that the point mass does not affect static deflection. However, there is recognition that in dynamic analyses, the point mass does play a significant role, indicating a nuanced understanding of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on assumptions such as neglecting gravity and the distinction between static and dynamic analyses. The implications of these assumptions on the behavior of the cantilever beam are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and students interested in structural analysis, particularly those exploring the effects of point loads and point masses on beam deflection in both static and dynamic contexts.

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Hi all,
I was looking for help with obtaining deflection at end of a cantilever beam with point load at end as well as point mass at the same location. I believe it would be exactly same. Pardon me for the not so great handwriting and sketches :)
Hi all,
I was looking for help with obtaining deflection at end of a cantilever beam with point load at end as well as point mass at the same location. I believe it would be exactly same. Is this correct? That is, I think just adding point mass at the cantilever's end wouldn't change the deflection (=PL^3/3EI). Since we're just considering a point mass at the end and neglecting the effect of gravity (ex: consider the beam is bending is happening in a horizontal plane with loading mentioned). The reason is the just adding point mass wouldn't affect the flexural stiffness theoretically. Hence all the contribution to the deflection will only be from the point load at the end. I simulated the same in Ansys with Beam 188 element and ran for both cases 1. Beam with only point load (deflection (=PL^3/3EI) and 2. Beam with same point load at the end but added a mass of say 50lb. The results say that the deflection at the end of the beam is exactly the same. I believe this does make sense. Any help to derive/prove the same from first principles would also be great.
 

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If you neglect gravity then of course the point mass will have no impact on the deflection. In FEA software you have to enable gravity to make point masses work. Static analyses (with gravity) account for point masses by simply turning them into concentrated forces. In case of dynamic (modal) analyses, added mass plays more important role, impacting the dynamic response of the system. For example natural frequencies of cantilever beam won't be different with point load (ignoring preload effects) but they will be different with point mass at the end.
 
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I fully agree with FEAnalyst's post above.
For static load, neither the mass of the beam nor the one at the extreme would be relevant.
If vibration is expected, the location and magnitude of the center of mass of the system would change; therefore, its response to load would change respect to no-end-mass condition.
 
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Thanks FEAnalslyst and Lnewqban for your responses confirming my understanding.
I agree if it were a vibration problem then the point mass at end would contribute to inertia and lead to different natural frequencies. Thanks again 😊😊👍👍
 
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